PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Yasser76]

Because when your opponent realizes they can never win, their behavior will become uncontrollable, and the result could lead to a lose-lose situation. Traditional Chinese game considers single-win > win-win > lose-lose > single-lose.

Thanks, yes, I am beginning to understand now.

 

[MH.Yang]

Thanks, yes, I am beginning to understand now.

In ancient China, when the army was fighting, if they surrounded a city, they usually only surrounded three directions, which was called "围三阙一". They will leave an escape route for the enemy to lure them away, and then gradually eliminate them in the pursuit battle. This is also a concrete manifestation of strategic thinking that is only half a step ahead. Being half a step ahead means hiding all of one's strength, allowing the enemy to retain rationality and hope.

In fact, if China had not adopted a strategy of being half a step ahead. China was jointly suppressed by the United States and Europe more than a decade ago. Or the United States would have used force to attack China over a decade ago.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

All of that's cool but ... money. Is China going to donate these fighters? No, of course not. Where is Pakistan going to get the funding for a decent enough sized fleet?

The same place where where money for thousands of aircraft that the country has acquired since 1947.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

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AM Raad is getting worse by the day. So many of his videos are becoming just click-bait and sensationalist nonsense.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

It's difficult for me to explain this to you clearly in English. I just tried using an AI tool to help me explain it in English. However, unfortunately, the AI couldn't do it.

This is a classic theory in Chinese game theory. Its core purpose is to protect oneself and prevent oneself from collapsing due to competition and confrontation.

When you compete and confront an opponent, keep your opponent in a state of "half-understanding" of your every move, making them believe that they can keep up with your competition and confrontation.

If you are too far ahead of your opponent, making your opponent completely unable to understand your actions, or causing your opponent to completely lose the will to fight against you, then you yourself will also be in a highly dangerous situation.

You can analyze this in detail:

1. In the US-China confrontation, the outside world has only a vague understanding of every step China has taken. China itself has deliberately suppressed many things, slowing down the pace of the confrontation.

2. The weapons and equipment China sells to Pakistan, and their actual combat capabilities compared to India, also conform to this logic. The aim is to prevent Pakistan from collapsing as a result.

This theory is very complex, and it's indeed difficult for me to explain it clearly in English.

In Pakistan, all the senior analysts and diplomats agree on one thing that China is playing the long game that spans decades.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

In simple terms, when Pakistan is far less powerful than India, it cannot start an arms race on its own
If Pakistan has 100 J-35A today，India will buy 200 F35/su-57 tomorrow, even if they pawn their panties.
This arms race is bad for pakistan

I think in Pakistan it is very well understood and accept that Pakistan does not want and cannot afford an arms race with India.

This has been the thinking for decades.

Take for example, India purchase 36 Rafales, Pakistan responded by purchase 20 J-10s.

Pakistan wanting J-35 for itself is not to confront India but the immediate threat posed by Israel which has demonstrated it can fly it's F-35s over Iran unchallenged.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... c) India dumps all the Tejas "derivatives" projects and also adopts the Su75E (https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-production-su-75-checkmate-prototype/) which Russia is now manufacturing the prototype of. ...

India rahay, ya na rahay, Flying Rickshaw zaroor rahay ga.

 

[Pakistan First]

Pakistan wanting J-35 for itself is not to confront India but the immediate threat posed by Israel which has demonstrated it can fly it's F-35s over Iran unchallenged.

Nope. Primary focus is always india.

Also, stealth fighters are great for strike missions or BVR against non-stealth platforms. Stopping a stealth aircraft from its strike mission is really difficult, so even if we suppose that Israeli F-35s have to attack Pakistan then what J-35s would do about it ? Can it detect F-35s at long distance ? The F-35s would just release their stand off missiles from safe distance and leave.

 

[rafale]

Because when your opponent realizes they can never win, their behavior will become uncontrollable, and the result could lead to a lose-lose situation. Traditional Chinese game considers single-win > win-win > lose-lose > single-lose.

Being only half a step ahead can keep your opponents engaged in rational competition, rather than completely breaking the rules or introducing other forces. Making opponents feel hopeless will expose your true strength and lose your information advantage. Opponents will truly understand your source of advantage and develop targeted restraint strategies. A huge leading advantage will also attract external forces to intervene, making you a target for everyone.

Unfortunately or fortunately, that is what India felt when PAF not only defeated them with EW, but rather used PL15 to take out every top fighter they had.

The gap was too big. They were completely humiliated.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

is PAF getting J20B or J35AE in 2026--

J-20B is currently bared for export, at at least when J-36/J-50 will not inducted by PLAAF in early 2030 to mid 2030, And also J-20B will be overpower PAF's capabilities which is not needed, and J-35AE is only stealth jet that China is offering for Export and also J-20 is a more or less pure air superiority jet with least capable of ground attack and CAS capabilities, PAF wants Multi-role capable stealth jet rather than single mission stealth jet like J-20, J-35AE is more suitable stealth jet for PAF than J-20B

and last how do you know when J-35AE will come to PAF in 2026? J-35 is still in a trail and training phases in both PLAN/PLAAF, I don't see J-35 will come to PAF's service before 2027/2028 time-frame