PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Cash gk]

tomorrow 7pm mate

Good one lol I like that

 

[rafale]

There is always the threat of Indian surprise attack, with no immediately preceding casus belli, and therefore either we have to rely on our intel collection capabilities to better predict their moves, which did great in May 2025, or build to be able to absorb first strike, IMHO.

Indians and surprise attack?

The amount of overwhelming force you need to take out major Pakistani airbases and assets will require pretty much all of their IAF assets and ground assets......it is not possible to hide that much movement/planning. There will be always signs here and there. The new EO satellites for Pakistan ensure that they will be able to catch. I am sure Chinese are monitoring these chuts 24/7 anyway because you really won't be able to tell if they are going to attack Pakistan or make the move against Chinese.

Modi and his cahoots are a failed nation. They have been blasted left and right on the international front. Only the begging French can give them protocol because they need to fleece 40 billion euros out of the shit eating Indians. Rubio blasted them to kingdom them and US navy didn't give two shits about killing Mofo Indians. While Pakistan got the US and Iran sign the peace deal.

So yea, these are absolute loser mad men with nothing to show. So whenever they will do something stupid, i can guarantee it will be with some noise and that's where your tactics and planning with J-35s comes in. All must be up in the air immediately and take out pre-determined targets without haste.

 

[Fatman17]

Read carefully please

 

[air marshal]

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[FuturePAF]

Indians and surprise attack?

The amount of overwhelming force you need to take out major Pakistani airbases and assets will require pretty much all of their IAF assets and ground assets......it is not possible to hide that much movement/planning. There will be always signs here and there. The new EO satellites for Pakistan ensure that they will be able to catch. I am sure Chinese are monitoring these chuts 24/7 anyway because you really won't be able to tell if they are going to attack Pakistan or make the move against Chinese.

Modi and his cahoots are a failed nation. They have been blasted left and right on the international front. Only the begging French can give them protocol because they need to fleece 40 billion euros out of the shit eating Indians. Rubio blasted them to kingdom them and US navy didn't give two shits about killing Mofo Indians. While Pakistan got the US and Iran sign the peace deal.

So yea, these are absolute loser mad men with nothing to show. So whenever they will do something stupid, i can guarantee it will be with some noise and that's where your tactics and planning with J-35s comes in. All must be up in the air immediately and take out pre-determined targets without haste.

I don’t doubt the PAF ability to keep breast of developing threats and move forces accordingly. Having said that the era of waves of PGMs need to be adequately accounted for. Improvements to active air defenses (SAMs, gun based systems, EW, cyber warfare, interceptors drones, helicopters with laser guided rockets, etc.) are definitely being implemented, but there is also a need for a strategy that employs passive defenses, as we saw employed effectively by Iran. Having their missile forces, small boat naval force and Air Force survive a relentless campaign of months of bombardment.

The cost of tunneling and building elaborate (winding paths that obscure the layout) tunnels with false exits as well as hidden air defense may seem like a lot, but if we do it in conjunction with the Saudis. Funding for similar bases for them and help with funding our bases, over the course of the next 10-15 years, we could have an extensive and very resilient set of bases, creating a whole level of deterrence, where the enemy knows, anything short of large nuclear weapons won’t take out our facilities, will make them reconsider any desire for warfare, unless they are will to wager the entire economic health of their state in retaliation.

Considering the value of even a few of J-35AE, we can start on just the bases affiliated with them and the J-10, as well as bases housing the force multipliers; specifically the awacs and EW planes. The Indians will be focusing on these 4 types above all else in any future conflict.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... So yea, these are absolute loser mad men with nothing to show. So whenever they will do something stupid, i can guarantee it will be with some noise and that's where your tactics and planning with J-35s comes in. All must be up in the air immediately and take out pre-determined targets without haste.

I don't think both India or Pakistan can mount any major surprise attack which would result in the complete destruction of an airbase in either country.

As both are neighbours, they can view each other's build-up in real time.

Look at how much noise India made on Sir Creek last October, followed by conducting a large tri-services military exercise, Trishul, involving 20,000 troops and threatening to attack Pakistani military facilities in Sir Creek.

However, Pakistani airstrikes on Afghanistan in October 2025, and Pakistan Navy's own military exercise in the area, as well as Pakistan sending a direct warning to India made sure coward Indian military disappears back into its bunkers without a misadventure and rethinks it's stupid policies against Pakistan.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

400 pages for a jet that doesnt even exist, perfectly sums up the pakistani mentality. Premature celebrations

 

[Ali_Baba]

400 pages for a jet that doesnt even exist, perfectly sums up the pakistani mentality. Premature celebrations

The jet exists, what is up for debate is when it is in PAF service...

 

[Dalit]

400 pages for a jet that doesnt even exist, perfectly sums up the pakistani mentality. Premature celebrations

Only a matter of time.

 

[SBD-3]

Only a matter of time.

It may be a controversial take, but I'd rather see the PAF focus on consolidating and completing its ongoing modernization programs than rushing to induct another highly sophisticated platform.

The J-10C fleet is still well below the numbers required for meaningful operational impact. The JF-17 program and PFX are both progressing, while the domestic weapons ecosystem and industrial base are still evolving. More importantly, the manufacturing infrastructure and technology assimilation process are far from complete.

On top of that, the J-35A has only recently entered service with the PLAAF and PLAN. Like any new fighter, it will need time to mature operationally, receive upgrades, and prove its long-term reliability before it becomes an ideal export candidate.

My priorities for the PAF would be:

1. Expand the J-10C fleet to operationally meaningful numbers.
Aim for roughly 100 aircraft (around five squadrons). The PAF still has several squadrons flying aging Mirages, F-7s, and older F-16A/B MLU variants that will need replacement over the coming years. These aircraft are approaching the end of their useful service lives and should be replaced with modern platforms.

2. Localize the WS-13 engine.
Work with China to assimilate the WS-13 turbofan and secure the long-term future of the JF-17 program. I recently saw photos of PAF personnel working on an aircraft engine, and I hope it relates either to the WS-13 with Chinese cooperation or an upgraded RD-93 variant.

3. Upgrade the JF-17B fleet.
Bring the twin-seat JF-17Bs up to Block III or a future PFX-compatible standard so they can serve as advanced 4.5-generation fighter trainers instead of procuring platforms like the L-15.

4. Explore industrial cooperation with Türkiye.
Evaluate whether the HÜRJET, powered by a future WS-13 or RD-93MA-class engine, could be assembled or manufactured in Pakistan as a long-term replacement for the K-8 trainer fleet.

5. Strengthen ground-based air defence.
Continue investing in SHORAD systems and robust counter-drone capabilities. Recent conflicts have demonstrated that layered air defence and anti-UAV systems are becoming just as critical as acquiring new fighter aircraft.

For now, I'd prioritize investing in domestic industrial capability, logistics, engine technology, and weapons integration. Give the J-35 time to mature, allow its costs to stabilize, and let operational lessons from Chinese service shape the export version before making a procurement decision.

 

[Oscar]

400 pages for a jet that doesnt even exist, perfectly sums up the pakistani mentality. Premature celebrations

The first page on J-10 was opened back in 2007 I remember on another forum... the J-10A was even mentioned in the official PAF history book published by Alan Warnes in 2008..
Yet - it came when?

Resources and priorities change - which means you can go another 300 pages of speculation over the next 4 years or suddenly have a 1000 pages next year...

 

[Michael]

It may be a controversial take, but I'd rather see the PAF focus on consolidating and completing its ongoing modernization programs than rushing to induct another highly sophisticated platform.

The J-10C fleet is still well below the numbers required for meaningful operational impact. The JF-17 program and PFX are both progressing, while the domestic weapons ecosystem and industrial base are still evolving. More importantly, the manufacturing infrastructure and technology assimilation process are far from complete.

On top of that, the J-35A has only recently entered service with the PLAAF and PLAN. Like any new fighter, it will need time to mature operationally, receive upgrades, and prove its long-term reliability before it becomes an ideal export candidate.

My priorities for the PAF would be:

1. Expand the J-10C fleet to operationally meaningful numbers.
Aim for roughly 100 aircraft (around five squadrons). The PAF still has several squadrons flying aging Mirages, F-7s, and older F-16A/B MLU variants that will need replacement over the coming years. These aircraft are approaching the end of their useful service lives and should be replaced with modern platforms.

2. Localize the WS-13 engine.
Work with China to assimilate the WS-13 turbofan and secure the long-term future of the JF-17 program. I recently saw photos of PAF personnel working on an aircraft engine, and I hope it relates either to the WS-13 with Chinese cooperation or an upgraded RD-93 variant.

3. Upgrade the JF-17B fleet.
Bring the twin-seat JF-17Bs up to Block III or a future PFX-compatible standard so they can serve as advanced 4.5-generation fighter trainers instead of procuring platforms like the L-15.

4. Explore industrial cooperation with Türkiye.
Evaluate whether the HÜRJET, powered by a future WS-13 or RD-93MA-class engine, could be assembled or manufactured in Pakistan as a long-term replacement for the K-8 trainer fleet.

5. Strengthen ground-based air defence.
Continue investing in SHORAD systems and robust counter-drone capabilities. Recent conflicts have demonstrated that layered air defence and anti-UAV systems are becoming just as critical as acquiring new fighter aircraft.

For now, I'd prioritize investing in domestic industrial capability, logistics, engine technology, and weapons integration. Give the J-35 time to mature, allow its costs to stabilize, and let operational lessons from Chinese service shape the export version before making a procurement decision.

You have many ideas, but none of them are very practical.

1. Expand the J-10C fleet to operationally meaningful numbers.
Aim for roughly 100 aircraft (around five squadrons). The PAF still has several squadrons flying aging Mirages, F-7s, and older F-16A/B MLU variants that will need replacement over the coming years. These aircraft are approaching the end of their useful service lives and should be replaced with modern platforms.

100 J-10CEs? You need to have enough funding first.

2. Localize the WS-13 engine.
Work with China to assimilate the WS-13 turbofan and secure the long-term future of the JF-17 program. I recently saw photos of PAF personnel working on an aircraft engine, and I hope it relates either to the WS-13 with Chinese cooperation or an upgraded RD-93 variant.

The WS-13 engine was never mass-produced. In fact, the project was completely terminated several years ago.

Currently, the engine upgrade program for the JF-17 fighter jet, a collaboration between China and Pakistan, uses the WS-21 engine, not the WS-13.

3. Upgrade the JF-17B fleet.
Bring the twin-seat JF-17Bs up to Block III or a future PFX-compatible standard so they can serve as advanced 4.5-generation fighter trainers instead of procuring platforms like the L-15.

You need to first understand the difference between dedicated trainer aircraft and general-purpose trainer aircraft. The JF-17B and L-15 are not in any competition with each other.

4. Explore industrial cooperation with Türkiye.
Evaluate whether the HÜRJET, powered by a future WS-13 or RD-93MA-class engine, could be assembled or manufactured in Pakistan as a long-term replacement for the K-8 trainer fleet.

Do you think China would allow Pakistan to use Chinese products and technology in Turkey's Hürjet project, thus creating direct competition with China's L-15 project?

The Hürjet and K-8 are two completely different classes of trainer aircraft. They are not substitutes for or competitors in any way. This is basic aviation common sense.

5. Strengthen ground-based air defence.
Continue investing in SHORAD systems and robust counter-drone capabilities. Recent conflicts have demonstrated that layered air defence and anti-UAV systems are becoming just as critical as acquiring new fighter aircraft.

In military economics, the cost of investing in "defense" always exceeds the cost of investing in "offense." Investing in "offense" is the most cost-effective approach. Only sufficiently wealthy nations can afford to invest heavily in "defense."

For most countries, more funds are allocated to "offense" than "defense." Investment in "defense" is limited to specific, localized areas.