PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[K2RULEZ]

The major issue that Pakistan faces today isnt lack of 5th generatiom fighter jets but numbers of aesa capable fighters. India is testing a locally developed AESA for its SU-30MKI fleet. That is 200+ aesa capable fighters. Add Tejas and Rafael to that and by 2032 India will have around 300 AESA capable fighter jets. Pakistan need to answer that. So more JF-17 Block 3 and more J-10CE is the need of the hour. Not some 40 J-35 after which PAF will not be able to buy anything for next 5 years.

So china will be actually doing a favor to Pakistan by postponing any alleged deal of J-35 and delaying deliveries by 2028 end atleast. By then we should try to add 70-80 J-10CE and JF-17B3.

This is true. Add a fighter like PFX to the mix and PAF will do nicely. The J-35 might come in the future. Nothing is confirmed regarding J-35. In fact highly placed ministers and officials have actually downplayed the acquisition of J-35. That should tell you something.

 

[RealNapster]

A Stealth platform like the J-35AE is itself a force multiplier that negates the competition of the number of AESA radars itself. It is a qualitative edge. Pakistan will never win on trying to match numbers, it wins by being qualitatively better on every front. If India is moving towards that, then PAF needs J-35AE sooner, and not later to negate that qualitative change.

But the day we buy 40 J-35, India will also acquire a 5th Gen fighter. But after acquiring 5th Generation fighter jet, India will still be able to make new Tejas, buy new Rafael, and keep the SU-30MKI modernization running. Can pakistan keep adding more J-10C and JF-17 after buying J-35 . ?

We know the answer is NO.

 

[RescueRanger]

But the day we buy 40 J-35, India will also acquire a 5th Gen fighter. But after acquiring 5th Generation fighter jet, India will still be able to make new Tejas, buy new Rafael, and keep the SU-30MKI modernization running. Can pakistan keep adding more J-10C and JF-17 after buying J-35 . ?

We know the answer is NO.

I am sure the people in PAF have studied such challenges, they know the chess board better than anyone here.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I am sure the people in PAF have studied such challenges, they know the chess board better than anyone here.

Yep. For a reason, they've entwined themselves with the Turkish MIC like Siamese Twins! Some projected harvests:

• KAAN/KE/ANKA-3 with indigenous engine + HAVA-SOJ to have a CCA (collaborative combat a/c) capability of their own
• Steel Dome AD to have their own type of layered defense against all sorts of aerial threats
• Etc.

 

[Paraboi]

But the day we buy 40 J-35, India will also acquire a 5th Gen fighter. But after acquiring 5th Generation fighter jet, India will still be able to make new Tejas, buy new Rafael, and keep the SU-30MKI modernization running. Can pakistan keep adding more J-10C and JF-17 after buying J-35 . ?

We know the answer is NO.

I am sure we gonna have pakistani version of kaan

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

I am sure we gonna have pakistani version of kaan

But much much later than J-35, with current US engine we will never get KAAN, may be after 2035 and J-35 is already in LRIP for PLAAF/PLAN, and do we need 2 different 5th gen jets from 2 different sources? if yes it would nightmare for PAF for operating/maintaining logistic for 2 different 5th gen jets

 

[RealNapster]

I am sure we gonna have pakistani version of kaan

Maybe in 2040. When we are looking for replacement of earlier JF17 and F-16.

But in near future I dont think so. PAF will never operate 2 different 5th Generation fighter jets simultaneously. Because it cant. It will be either this or that situation.

 

[Paraboi]

But much much later than J-35, with current US engine we will never get KAAN, may be after 2035 and J-35 is already in LRIP for PLAAF/PLAN, and do we need 2 different 5th gen jets from 2 different sources? if yes it would nightmare for PAF for operating/maintaining logistic for 2 different 5th gen jets

Not if we get TOT

 

[Ali_Baba]

But the day we buy 40 J-35, India will also acquire a 5th Gen fighter. But after acquiring 5th Generation fighter jet, India will still be able to make new Tejas, buy new Rafael, and keep the SU-30MKI modernization running. Can pakistan keep adding more J-10C and JF-17 after buying J-35 . ?

We know the answer is NO.

What are India's choices for a stealth platform? Su-57E barely qualifies as stealth but yes, they can get that. KF-21 looks too similar to their AMCA project to make it past the political line of make in India. F-35 is very toxic with its restrictions. FCAS - it is dead and questionable if France has the resources to build on their own follow up. GCAP, India is listed as an observer but it is a 2035 project. KAAN? - lol, I don't see that happening. So, what choices does India have ?

The can certainly purchase more 4.5 gen platforms, but their effectiveness for air superiority is not very good for a 5th gen platform.

 

[AeronautIR]

@AeronautIR sir aj ap ne kia pehna ha? suub thk ha na

Normal kameez with waist coat. apko kia lag raha hai?

 

[maxpane]

Normal kameez with waist coat. apko kia lag raha hai?

just tease kr raha tha . nop achy lag rahy the.

 

[Pakistan First]

Maybe in 2040. When we are looking for replacement of earlier JF17 and F-16.

But in near future I dont think so. PAF will never operate 2 different 5th Generation fighter jets simultaneously. Because it cant. It will be either this or that situation.

Yes, PAF will obviously operate a single 5th gen platform in foreseeable future (around 2030 to 2045). But in long term future (beyond 2050) it can add another 5th gen platform depending upon requirements and circumstances of that era.

 

[RealNapster]

What are India's choices for a stealth platform? Su-57E barely qualifies as stealth but yes, they can get that. KF-21 looks too similar to their AMCA project to make it past the political line of make in India. F-35 is very toxic with its restrictions. FCAS - it is dead and questionable if France has the resources to build on their own follow up. GCAP, India is listed as an observer but it is a 2035 project. KAAN? - lol, I don't see that happening. So, what choices does India have ?

The can certainly purchase more 4.5 gen platforms, but their effectiveness for air superiority is not very good for a 5th gen platform.

It doesn't matter... even if they dont find an answer to our J-35 purchase, they are still free to buy as many Rafael as they want, make new Tejas (even if rate of production is slower) and replaced existing pesa radar in their 200+ SU-30MKI with their indigenously developed AESA. So what is our response to an IAF that have 300+ AESA fighter jets ? 40 J-35, 20 J-10CE, and 23 JF-17B3 ?

 

[RealNapster]

But in long term future (beyond 2050) it can add another 5th gen platform depending upon requirements and circumstances of that era.

Obviously, because no one will be making 4th generation fighter jets anymore to sell to us.

 

[Yasser76]

It doesn't matter... even if they dont find an answer to our J-35 purchase, they are still free to buy as many Rafael as they want, make new Tejas (even if rate of production is slower) and replaced existing pesa radar in their 200+ SU-30MKI with their indigenously developed AESA. So what is our response to an IAF that have 300+ AESA fighter jets ? 40 J-35, 20 J-10CE, and 23 JF-17B3 ?

So you think by the time India has 200+ AESA SU-30s we will stand still? They have stated only 80 will be upgraded and that will take 10 years, so you are comparing 2026 PAF with 2036 IAF?