PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Oscar]

Which member has this confidence? After flying F16 for over 10 years, can you teach Pakistani pilots how to fly J-10C?

Probably not directly from the F-16 but there are now F-16 pilots from PAF moving to transition to J-10 and may end up as instructors eventually.

Its not a question of IF for the PAF but whether China felt insecure (in some cases it could be correct due to possible moles in PAF)

 

[Oscar]

Why KAAN? What can KAAN possibly offer other than Muslim Brotherhood that J-31 Gyrfalcon can't?

You're not under the impression that Turkish Aviation is somehow superior to Chinese Aviation?

Different flight dynamics - weapons fit and so on but whether they would want a Russian or Chinese engine is a different case. PAF would prefer a western or local Turk engine (likely them adapting an existing European one) to not put all it’s eggs in one basket

 

[zhanlong]

The Chinese Air Force belongs to the strategic air force. Having independent training and combat systems. The Chinese Air Force usually requires:

1, Aircraft carrier pilots must take off and land carrier based aircraft 420 times within 8 days in unfamiliar environments.

2, Air Force pilots must complete ultra-low altitude valley flights.

3, Fighter pilots must be proficient in the coordination of AWACS and air tankers. Both day and night.

Strategic Air Force, it doesn't mean that you're good at flying fighter jets, so you're qualified.

 

[zhanlong]

Depends on the context - there are Indian Americans dealing with the defense sector in Pakistan - business is business.

Are they Americans or are they Indians?
If they are American born Indian heritage then they are American - no other questions involved.

But they will likely not have access to all base facilities and that goes for even Chinese pilots .

At present, only Pakistani pilots can skillfully fly some of China's fighter jets. I would now like to invite Pakistani pilots to train Chinese aircraft carrier pilots on how to take off and land carrier-based aircraft 420 times in 8 days. Okay？

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

There is this thing called as selling from your own inventory. Depending upon situation, it can be arranged, for a fee ofcourse.

And btw, the same applies to Pakistan as well. If India decides to ramp up its fifth gen with a 120 billion dollar infusion, what will Pakistan do? Rather what can Pakistan do?

Nothing.

So yes, India can indeed buy fighters like chocolates.

Pakistan is already inducting a fifth gen fighter. What is India doing? Day dreaming?

 

[zhanlong]

Soon, China's Type 076 LHD is about to be completed. It has an electromagnetic catapult track. Military experts say it can carry 12 J-35. I'm looking forward to it. American pilot piloted the J-35 and took off on 076. And train Chinese pilots on how to pilot the J-35A for takeoff on 076.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Different flight dynamics - weapons fit and so on but whether they would want a Russian or Chinese engine is a different case. PAF would prefer a western or local Turk engine (likely them adapting an existing European one) to not put all it’s eggs in one basket

But all eggs are already in one basket. Only attack helicopters left now.

 

[Cookie Monster]

There is this thing called as selling from your own inventory. Depending upon situation, it can be arranged, for a fee ofcourse.

And btw, the same applies to Pakistan as well. If India decides to ramp up its fifth gen with a 120 billion dollar infusion, what will Pakistan do? Rather what can Pakistan do?

Nothing.

So yes, India can indeed buy fighters like chocolates.

Who is going to sell you from their own inventory?
Is Russia going to sell u Su30 from its inventory while its production capacity has suffered due to war and what remains is being utilized/prioritized for its war effort?
Is France going to sell u Rafales from its own inventory while Russia has taken an increasingly aggressive posture and Trump is all about making NATO/Europe foot the bill and play a bigger role(in terms of money) rather than US?
Other countries that have bought the Rafale like Qatar…being rich…would they care to sell u from their inventory for money(which they have no shortage of btw)?
Are Greece or Indonesia or other Rafale operators(or who ordered ahead of India) going to prioritize India’s needs over their own defense needs? Look at the geopolitical situation facing Greece or Indonesia…no one is going to put u ahead of their own defense needs.

This isn’t a red light district in India…where u can have ur pick simply by throwing more money at it.

Same goes for increasing funding of ur own AMCA…pumping more money doesn’t mean you will have the product ready and in numbers.
If that was true China would have had J20 and J35 much sooner than they ended up having them. They provided all the necessary funding but developing indigenous capabilities like advanced metallurgy, material science(for radars, composites, radar absorbing materials/coatings, turbine blades, etc), advanced rocket motors for missiles, avionics, advanced understanding and modeling of aerodynamics, thermodynamics, etc.
…all of this takes decades of continued effort. It requires throwing money constantly and diligently for decades to educate ur population, conduct R&D at universities and by private companies(or even government owned research facilities), paying these scientists/engineers enough to prevent a brain drain…
…and then after lots of testing, trial and error…eventually there exists an industrial base that can churn out advanced defense equipment(or just advanced equipment in general).

U need to come out of this la la land that ur media feeds u about India is rich and because of it…all the other countries line up to please India and will do its bidding.

 

[Zarvan]

Unlike some posters I do not think that PAF will buy more than around 40 in total.

Reason is that India is not going to get its hands on UK/Italy/Japan Tempest till late 2030s at the earliest. PAF can rest easy for around 10 years after it inducts the J-35.

This aircraft will likely be superior to J-35 due to newer radar/avionics, more powerful engines etc and so that would be an ideal time for PAF to try to see whether the Chinese 6th generation fighter will be available to it starting 2040.

The final number will be 100 if not more. Buying only 40 fails to reach economies of scale. Secondly when we buy 100 is the minimum number we look for.

 

[Haji Thanos]

Different flight dynamics - weapons fit and so on but whether they would want a Russian or Chinese engine is a different case. PAF would prefer a western or local Turk engine (likely them adapting an existing European one) to not put all it’s eggs in one basket

"someone" said that paf is looking forward or at at least wants their kaan to be equipped with chinese powerpant

 

[Oscar]

At present, only Pakistani pilots can skillfully fly some of China's fighter jets. I would now like to invite Pakistani pilots to train Chinese aircraft carrier pilots on how to take off and land carrier-based aircraft 420 times in 8 days. Okay？

Makes no sense - how can Pakistani pilots with no carrier experience train Chinese pilots?

Either we are losing context in translation or you are trying to be non-serious.

Pakistani pilots WILL need to be trained by Chinese J-10C pilots first - they cannot just sit in the cockpit of a J-10C and take it off.

But, the pilots going onto J-10C bring BVR and WVR concepts they learn from elsewhere - from time on F-16 - learning from NATO standard forces like Turkey and others into the J-10 to employ it differently.

So Chinese pilots may have experience in carrier landings but those pilots have no exposure to training and concepts from NATO countries which Pakistani pilots have - which is why both exercise regularly to bring each others concepts and tactics together.

 

[zhanlong]

Makes no sense - how can Pakistani pilots with no carrier experience train Chinese pilots?

Either we are losing context in translation or you are trying to be non-serious.

Pakistani pilots WILL need to be trained by Chinese J-10C pilots first - they cannot just sit in the cockpit of a J-10C and take it off.

But, the pilots going onto J-10C bring BVR and WVR concepts they learn from elsewhere - from time on F-16 - learning from NATO standard forces like Turkey and others into the J-10 to employ it differently.

So Chinese pilots may have experience in carrier landings but those pilots have no exposure to training and concepts from NATO countries which Pakistani pilots have - which is why both exercise regularly to bring each others concepts and tactics together.

sorry. i forgot. NATO also lacks experience in taking off and landing 420 times carrier based aircraft within 8 days.

What do you think about having NATO-trained Pakistani pilots teach Chinese pilots how to take off and land J-35 in Fujian or 076？

 

[Falcon26]

sorry. i forgot. NATO also lacks experience in taking off and landing 420 times carrier based aircraft within 8 days.

What do you think about having NATO-trained Pakistani pilots teach Chinese pilots how to take off and land J-35 in Fujian or 076？

Why are you fixated on 420? Are you smoking some leaves?

 

[zhanlong]

Why are you fixated on 420? Are you smoking some leaves?

Because I want to know. A group of tactical air forces, where do they have the courage and confidence to teach strategic air forces how to fly planes... There is a reason for the rampant drug abuse in Western society.

 

[Oscar]

Because I want to know. A group of tactical air forces, where do they have the courage and confidence to teach strategic air forces how to fly planes... There is a reason for the rampant drug abuse in Western society.

You’re just trolling and trying to feel good - and failing at it. I suggest you stay off the thread until you decide to post seriously