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[Zarvan]

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We are NOT getting the J-35 anytime before 2030.

 

[Zarvan]

We are NOT getting the J-35 anytime before 2030.

Yes we are getting them by end of 2026 start of 2027

 

[CSAW]

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

 

[lightning f57]

Yes we are getting them by end of 2026 start of 2027

I think it all depends on the engine and its maturity.

 

[That_Guy]

We are NOT getting the J-35 anytime before 2030.

No, Pakistan will get them before 2030, but not before 2027.

I'm thinking around 2028-29 for the initial blocks. Probably only a squadron though.

We'll probably see weapons testing in 2026, and final operational clearance of the fighter in 2027.

I used to think not before 2030 as well, but the Chinese seem to doubling down on the fighter and speeding through testing and development.

 

[Zarvan]

No, Pakistan will get them before 2030, but not before 2027.

I'm thinking around 2028-29 for the initial blocks. Probably only a squadron though.

We'll probably see weapons testing in 2026, and final operational clearance of the fighter in 2027.

I used to think not before 2030 as well, but the Chinese seem to doubling down on the fighter and speeding through testing and development.

We are getting it before 2027 and by end of 2026. You are assuming that China is already not testing weapons for sometime.

 

[MastanKhan]

We are getting it before 2027 and by end of 2026. You are assuming that China is already not testing weapons for sometime.

Hi,

Haters are crying rivers of tears---. They simply cannot comprehend the development of the J31---.

 

[zhanlong]

Decades ago, when I was a student, I never passed my English exams. So, please understand me.
I have not questioned this friend's point of view at all. It's just that Chinese people are very sick of western media like NYT/BBC/WSJ, that's all. As a matter of fact, I often read news reports from these western media, but I never quote them.

Let's get back to the topic.

I don't know the actual status of the current PAC production of JF-17, I can only learn some unreliable news from Chinese self media. I don't see any detailed information about PAC's production of JF-17 on the PDF either.
So I can't judge the current relevant industrial production capacity in Pakistan.
I can only base my analysis on some basic common sense of industrial production.
For example: heavy machining equipment, precision machining capability, aerospace material production capacity, communication and electronic equipment industry, etc.
Analyzing the current situation in these related fields, Pakistan's current capacity is not enough. Mere assembly lines do not make much sense.
The new assembly line currently being built in China is a smart factory with extensive use of robots. It has a very large initial investment and requires huge production to pay for itself.
Looking at the current production of the JF-17, it still uses a traditional hand operated assembly line. I don't know if the newest version of the JF-17 will use the smart factory model in the future. But the J-35 was designed to follow the smart factory production model and there is no possibility of it being assembled using the hand work model.

Pakistan's understanding of industry is small workshops on the side of the road. It's like they refurbish a tricycle. Their idea is for China to ship the fuselage, weapons, radar, engines, etc. to Pakistan. Then, Pakistan will assemble them into a J-35.

Then at some point in time. They can also manufacture a key component to replace the Chinese key component. They will use JF-17 as an example, but they forget that JF17 was originally prepared for Pakistan. It belongs to joint development. China is just a participant. But J-35 is not prepared for Pakistan....

Usually you can't convince them... A country that has not experienced modern industrial processes.

 

[That_Guy]

We are getting it before 2027 and by end of 2026. You are assuming that China is already not testing weapons for sometime.

I'm not assuming, I already know for sure.

We are not getting anything before 2027.

Not only because of what I've mentioned, but because Pakistan has to build up the infrastructure to host a 5th gen which will take a long time.

 

[UKBengali]

No, Pakistan will get them before 2030, but not before 2027.

I'm thinking around 2028-29 for the initial blocks. Probably only a squadron though.

We'll probably see weapons testing in 2026, and final operational clearance of the fighter in 2027.

I used to think not before 2030 as well, but the Chinese seem to doubling down on the fighter and speeding through testing and development.

I still think IOC by December 2026.

It will be interesting to see if PAF gets the “full fat” version and not the export version.

 

[That_Guy]

I still think IOC by December 2026.

It will be interesting to see if PAF gets the “full fat” version and not the export version.

It'll be the export version, I guarantee it.

 

[Zarvan]

I'm not assuming, I already know for sure.

We are not getting anything before 2027.

Not only because of what I've mentioned, but because Pakistan has to build up the infrastructure to host a 5th gen which will take a long time.

Again wrong assumption. You are assuming that as PAF Air Chief announced it in this January we started doing the entire process of evaluating planes and developing infrastructure after that. No Sir, you are wrong here, We are evaluating and are part of J-31 project for several years now, and developing infrastructure to induct a 5th Generation Fighter for past 3 years at least.

 

[Zarvan]

It'll be the export version, I guarantee it.

We don't go for substandard or less power version. It would be full on J-35 a stealth fighter jet. China is really very close to full scale production.