PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Goku-Kun]

I have no intention of my Pakistani friends arguing about this.
Apache to Z-20?Are you sure you're not trying to be funny? Please go and get some serious basic military knowledge first.
Please stop the thread on this!

my bad..not z-20 but z21

 

[zhanlong]

I'll agree with you..China needs Pakistan as much as Pakistan needs China. Pakistan has got a strategic location which lessens a 12000km range China needs to pass through in order to access middle east down to mere 4000-5000km and there are many other aspects in which China needs Pakistan. Pakistan helped China in gaining many western tech. awareness like f-16 and etc to develop their skills and tactics against western enemies. So we both assess each other.

I saw a Taiwanese news. Brothers know. I only watch Taiwanese news...

Taiwanese media say: US needs Taiwan's help. Because Taiwan can provide the US with professional experience in the fight against PLAAF and PLAN.

 

[abcefg]

China does provide loans to many countries. However, these loans are based on the credit of the country and, moreover, the amount of the loan is not unlimited. The amount of the loan is based on the project and their relationship with China.
Pakistan's strategic threat elevated when India acquired Rafale fighter jets. Based on China-Pakistan relationship and India's situation, China provided J-10CE to Pakistan at internal price and 80% of the total contract was Chinese loan. This was the most favorable package based on the international environment and China-Pakistan relations at that time. Sources at ------ say that the down payment for PAF's J-10CE purchase was all provided by the mysterious gold master behind it.
Currently, PAF's loan for the purchase of J-10CE is still outstanding. India has not acquired a more advanced fighter jet. India keeps showing goodwill to China and Sino-Indian relations are easing.
Do you think the mysterious gold master behind Pakistan will still provide high down payment for PAF? Will China still provide huge military sales loans to Pakistan?


The ones I listed are the base requirements for a 5th generation fighter. They are not the difference between “nice to have” and “must have”.
The Superior Avionics for Battle Awareness and Effectiveness of the 5th Generation Fighter requires a vastly advanced military information network. When it is not supported by these conditions, it does not perform at all as well as 4th generation fighters. So why would you spend huge amounts of money on it? Why not buy a better performing 4th gen fighter for less money?


AVIC's first priority is to meet the needs of PLAs. Currently, China still has a large number of old fighters waiting to be replaced, and it will take AVIC at least many years of hard work to replace them.The PLAAF still has a large number of old fighters in service, such as the J-7, J-8, JH-7, Su-27, J-10A, and J-11.
Exporting fighters is only a secondary task for AVIC. They don't have any need to lower their trading conditions to beg for foreign trade orders.


On this point, we don't have to wait. The answer to it is yes.
AVIC will allow PAF to use Sino-Pakistani cooperation, Pakistani produced weapons on J-35 and provide open data interface for J-35 to access PAF's tactical command system.
But AVIC will never allow PAF to provide these facilities to a third party, much less allow third party weapons or airborne equipment to be plugged into the J-35.Even weapons or airborne equipment that Pakistan has partnered with a third party will not be allowed to be plugged into the J-35.

Certain countries with very close ties to Pakistan have access to a lot of military technology from China through military technical cooperation with Pakistan. China is very well aware of these situations. Ordinary military technology, China can turn a blind eye to. But the most advanced Chinese military technology, this route will completely lose any possibility. If Pakistan still wants to continue to obtain advanced military technology from China, it must put that idea to rest.


With SAC's current production capacity, the J-35 could easily exceed 100 units per year once all tests are completed and finalized. 40 J-35 orders would be very easy for SAC to fulfill. The more batches they separate means the higher the cost.


I have responded to this question before.
PAF can only get J-35 (WS-21) now, it cannot get J-35 (WS-19). This situation is valid at least for many years to come.
As of today, the WS-19 is still in development. It is currently in the military testing phase and its final production version is still to be determined. When its final production version is finalized, the first priority will be to meet the requirements of the J-35A (WS-19), i.e., to meet the requirements of the PLAAF. This will take many years and until then it cannot be exported.

touch grass my friend.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Hi,

There are some post from you that are brilliant---but then other posts show you have no clue to what you are writing---.

In around 2 years time---it would be the begining of the anticipated delivery of the J31's---possibly between 2-4 aircraft to start with---.

It is silly to think that 40 aircraft will land at the end of 24 months---and no pakistani has claimed that

Obviously, deliveries are expected in 24 months time span. It would take few years to be completed ,probably max by 2030

 

[100%_Guest]

I saw a Taiwanese news. Brothers know. I only watch Taiwanese news...

Taiwanese media say: US needs Taiwan's help. Because Taiwan can provide the US with professional experience in the fight against PLAAF and PLAN.

千岁,千岁,千千岁
Qiānsuì Qiānsuì Qiān Qiān suì

Taiwan can provide the US with professional experience in the fight against PLAAF and PLAN.

千歲公公 when did TW faught PLAAF and PLAN?

 

[Mrc]

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not true, all of originates from the 24news broadcast, theyre all quoting thatt as the source...

 

[MastanKhan]

Given the geo-strategic uncertainty a "moth eaten" J-35 is better than no J-35. If the Pak Deep State wants to take the WOT to the next level, that is the Turkish way, it needs to nullify the Bharati capabilities first. Then it should be like "all hell let loose" on the Bharati assets everywhere inside Afganistan.....

Hi,

Your's is a million dollar worth post---. A stripped down J35 is better than anything out there in the "arena"---.

 

[Snake]

The Chinese are very patriotic. When we disagree with the Chinese government/CCP on certain issues, we criticize or complain about them. We also criticize certain senior leaders. But we never bash the country (China/PLA). In our consciousness, such behavior is equal to treason.

I can accept Pakistanis criticizing Pakistani political parties or leaders, but I cannot accept Pakistanis criticizing Pakistan as a country. In my consciousness, such behavior is an act of treason against Pakistan.

I do not want to consider you as a traitor to Pakistan. So, please stop this behavior! At least, don't provoke me in this way!

This is arrogance in disguise. If what you have to say is true, no matter how bitter, it makes no difference if someone's ego is hurt. Speak your mind if you believe it's the truth.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

An excellent assessment by " australian militay aviation " on youtube.

Worth watching from start to finish---.

Interesting info @ around 12 minutes---says nothing negative about engine smoke of no significance---.

Talks about the J35 being more advanced than the J20---@ around 17 minute mark.

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There is stench ...

Can't seem to put my finger on it...

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[een dono ki amma ki churriyan baich kay J-35s' khareed rahay hain]

 

[MastanKhan]

There is stench ...

Can't seem to put my finger on it...

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[een dono ki amma ki churriyan baich kay J-35s' khareed rahay hain]

Hi,

" The day Mohammad ( pbuh ) died---there was no food in his house---there was no oil to light the lamp at night. His widow pawned his chain mail to get some oil and flour but there were 8 swords hanging on the wall in his room---" Golda Meir.

What most posters cannot comprehend and cannot understand that the J31 will be more advanced than the J-20---why---by default of the timing of the induction.

There are more advanced versions of EW package than those installed in the J20's years ago---and those will go into the J35 / J31 or whatever you may call it---.

 

[MastanKhan]

I can accept Pakistanis criticizing Pakistani political parties or leaders, but I cannot accept Pakistanis criticizing Pakistan as a country. In my consciousness, such behavior is an act of treason against Pakistan.

I do not want to consider you as a traitor to Pakistan. So, please stop this behavior! At least, don't provoke me in this way!

Hi,

It is an act of treason and should be counted as such.

 

[CSAW]

Shenyang Aircraft Corporation [SAC]​

" Shenyang Aircraft Corporation [SAC], with some 30,000 employees, has emerged as China's largest fighter aircraft enterprise since its establishment in 1953. SAC is divided into four divisions: civilian aircraft and ancillary equipment, military aircraft, and civilian products (non-aviation related, from construction materials to passenger buses).



The Shenyang Airframe Plant is approximately 2nm north of Shenyang, and immediately west of Shenyang Airfield North. As of early 1963 the Aircraft Assembly Plant had 5 large fabrication and 20 associated buildings, a wind tunnel, and a power plant.

The WS10 is a low bypass, two-shaft engine in the 30klbf class. Its core is modeled after the CFM56 (from the GE F-101), which China could examine in 1986. It took until 2009 for the engine to get a thrust and reliability level that it could replace the AL-31 on the local Flanker variant J-11.

The engine was developed and produced by the Shenyang-Liming Aero Engine Group, a unit of Shenyang Aircraft in the AVIC group. China’s engine companies were structured as units of major aircraft companies in AVIC.

The main companies were: Shenyang Liming Aero-Engine Group, doing engines for the Shenyang Aircraft Company; Xi’an Aero-Engine Group, doing engines for the Xi’an Aircraft company; and Chengdu Aero-Engine Group/Guizhou Liyang Aero-Engine Group, doing engines for the Chengdu Aircraft Company.



Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation (GAIC) or Guizhou Aviation Aircraft Co Ltd (GAC) is a Chinese aircraft manufacturer and military aircraft based in Guiyang, Guizhou China as a subsidiary of AVIC.

The company's core products include trainers, turbojets, UAVs, missiles and launchers.

Within a JV with Subaru, named Yunque (云雀), they've also built Chinese license versions of cars like Subaru Rex and Subaru Vivio.

The Shenyang Aircraft Engine Plant is located approximately 2 nm. ESE of the old walled city of Shen-Yang (Mukden), on the NE edge of Mukden airfield, and immediately east of Shen-Yang Arsenal. As of early 1963 the plant contained five large fabrication buildings and approximately twenty smaller associated buildings, as well as a recently constructed power plant, underground POL storage, and six engine test cells. Immediately west of the Shenyang Aircraft Engine Plant is the associated Shenyang Arsenal. As of early 1963 the road-and rail-served arsenal contained 6 large and approximately 30 other fabrication buildings, numerous associated buildings, a heat/power plant, and 14 engine test cells and one possible test cell.
Shenyang Aircraft provided assitance to Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation HAMC and Xian Aircraft Company XAC for production of the H-6 Badger under licensing agreement from the Soviet Union. Shenyang Aircraft provided assitance to Nanchang Aircraft for the production of the Q-5.

A joint venture has been established at SAC to produce the Su-27 aircraft and the associated Lyulka AL-31 turbofan engine.

Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has formed a joint production venture with Boeing for producing whole tail sections and cargo doors. SAC in the past has done work for British Aerospace, Airbus, and Lockheed, and currently has a manufacturing sub-assembly venture with Canadian firm Bombardier Aerospace. Boeing maintains a sizeable expatriate presence in Shenyang to support the project and has built a strong working relationship with the Chinese. Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has been involved in manufacturing parts for Airbus aircraft as well as maintenance tools.

The venture with Boeing, the main components of SAC's civilian aircraft section, has two main projects so far, the tail sections and airplane doors, as well as the constructure of a world-class production facility. SAC has imported all parts and raw materials from American suppliers in order to meet required quality control standards.

The cooperation with Boeing and McDonnell Douglas, along with smaller projects for airplane companies from Isreal, Germany, Canada and the U.K., make up the company's so called "key product line" , and form the foundation for SAC's reforms from failing SOE to a market driven corportation.

It was announced 3 years ago that An aircraft engine and parts production project will soon start construction in the Guiyang National High-tech Industrial Development Zone (Guiyang HIDZ) in Guiyang, capital of Southwest China's Guizhou province.

The project is expected to improve the engine industrial chain in the Guiyang HIDZ.

The industrial chain mainly involves the polishing of engine blade parts, engine rotating parts, casing, and heat surface treatment of parts.

Investment in the industrial chain has totaled about 1 billion yuan ($150.04 million), and its annual output value is expected to reach about 2 billion yuan.

The newly-introduced aircraft engine and parts project will be funded by Guizhou Liyang International Manufacturing Co.

Guizhou Liyang International Manufacturing Co focuses on the R&D and manufacturing of aerospace power components.

Its products include core components of civil aviation engines, aircraft nacelle parts, national scientific research model tasks, ground gas turbine parts, oil drilling equipment parts, and Huawei submarine optical cables.

The aero-engine casing produced by Guizhou Aviation Technical Development Co, a company based in Guiyang, capital of Southwest China's Guizhou province and engaged in the research and development, manufacture and sale of annular forgings of aviation difficult-to-deform metal materials, has been selected as a single champion product.

The list of the seventh group of single "champion" enterprises and products in manufacturing was jointly published by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology and the China Federation of Industrial Economics.

As a national technological innovation demonstration enterprise, Guizhou Aviation Technical Development Co has independently developed 10 core technologies and made a major breakthrough in the precision manufacturing of large aero-engine casings.



Wu Yong'an, the company's deputy general manager, said that the technology in the precision manufacturing of large aero-engine casings is a core technology in several key fields and has been successfully developed by the company for many years.

The company has developed into a supplier for the world's top six aero-engine manufacturers through continuous efforts in research and development. It has also joined forces with a number of domestic high-end universities and research institutes to make breakthroughs in a number of core technologies in key fields. To date, it has 58 patents.

Zhang Hua, chairman of Guizhou Aviation Technical Development Co, said his company will take advantage of government policies, seize market opportunities, rely on Guizhou's aviation industrial chains, and build itself into a first-class aviation engine ring parts manufacturing center and make contributions to Guizhou's socioeconomic development.



As for SAC flag ship project of J-35 / J-31 B / J-31AE . It continues to refine the design, the FC-31 will undergo several modifications. The plan is to equip the aircraft with the Guizhou WS-19 turbofan engine, comparable to the J-20's engine."

 

[Michael]

Shenyang Aircraft Corporation [SAC]​

" Shenyang Aircraft Corporation [SAC], with some 30,000 employees, has emerged as China's largest fighter aircraft enterprise since its establishment in 1953. SAC is divided into four divisions: civilian aircraft and ancillary equipment, military aircraft, and civilian products (non-aviation related, from construction materials to passenger buses).

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The Shenyang Airframe Plant is approximately 2nm north of Shenyang, and immediately west of Shenyang Airfield North. As of early 1963 the Aircraft Assembly Plant had 5 large fabrication and 20 associated buildings, a wind tunnel, and a power plant.

The WS10 is a low bypass, two-shaft engine in the 30klbf class. Its core is modeled after the CFM56 (from the GE F-101), which China could examine in 1986. It took until 2009 for the engine to get a thrust and reliability level that it could replace the AL-31 on the local Flanker variant J-11.

The engine was developed and produced by the Shenyang-Liming Aero Engine Group, a unit of Shenyang Aircraft in the AVIC group. China’s engine companies were structured as units of major aircraft companies in AVIC.

The main companies were: Shenyang Liming Aero-Engine Group, doing engines for the Shenyang Aircraft Company; Xi’an Aero-Engine Group, doing engines for the Xi’an Aircraft company; and Chengdu Aero-Engine Group/Guizhou Liyang Aero-Engine Group, doing engines for the Chengdu Aircraft Company.

View attachment 90446

Guizhou Aircraft Industry Corporation (GAIC) or Guizhou Aviation Aircraft Co Ltd (GAC) is a Chinese aircraft manufacturer and military aircraft based in Guiyang, Guizhou China as a subsidiary of AVIC.

The company's core products include trainers, turbojets, UAVs, missiles and launchers.

Within a JV with Subaru, named Yunque (云雀), they've also built Chinese license versions of cars like Subaru Rex and Subaru Vivio.

The Shenyang Aircraft Engine Plant is located approximately 2 nm. ESE of the old walled city of Shen-Yang (Mukden), on the NE edge of Mukden airfield, and immediately east of Shen-Yang Arsenal. As of early 1963 the plant contained five large fabrication buildings and approximately twenty smaller associated buildings, as well as a recently constructed power plant, underground POL storage, and six engine test cells. Immediately west of the Shenyang Aircraft Engine Plant is the associated Shenyang Arsenal. As of early 1963 the road-and rail-served arsenal contained 6 large and approximately 30 other fabrication buildings, numerous associated buildings, a heat/power plant, and 14 engine test cells and one possible test cell.
Shenyang Aircraft provided assitance to Harbin Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation HAMC and Xian Aircraft Company XAC for production of the H-6 Badger under licensing agreement from the Soviet Union. Shenyang Aircraft provided assitance to Nanchang Aircraft for the production of the Q-5.

A joint venture has been established at SAC to produce the Su-27 aircraft and the associated Lyulka AL-31 turbofan engine.

Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has formed a joint production venture with Boeing for producing whole tail sections and cargo doors. SAC in the past has done work for British Aerospace, Airbus, and Lockheed, and currently has a manufacturing sub-assembly venture with Canadian firm Bombardier Aerospace. Boeing maintains a sizeable expatriate presence in Shenyang to support the project and has built a strong working relationship with the Chinese. Shenyang Aircraft Corporation has been involved in manufacturing parts for Airbus aircraft as well as maintenance tools.

The venture with Boeing, the main components of SAC's civilian aircraft section, has two main projects so far, the tail sections and airplane doors, as well as the constructure of a world-class production facility. SAC has imported all parts and raw materials from American suppliers in order to meet required quality control standards.

The cooperation with Boeing and McDonnell Douglas, along with smaller projects for airplane companies from Isreal, Germany, Canada and the U.K., make up the company's so called "key product line" , and form the foundation for SAC's reforms from failing SOE to a market driven corportation.

It was announced 3 years ago that An aircraft engine and parts production project will soon start construction in the Guiyang National High-tech Industrial Development Zone (Guiyang HIDZ) in Guiyang, capital of Southwest China's Guizhou province.

The project is expected to improve the engine industrial chain in the Guiyang HIDZ.

The industrial chain mainly involves the polishing of engine blade parts, engine rotating parts, casing, and heat surface treatment of parts.

Investment in the industrial chain has totaled about 1 billion yuan ($150.04 million), and its annual output value is expected to reach about 2 billion yuan.

The newly-introduced aircraft engine and parts project will be funded by Guizhou Liyang International Manufacturing Co.

Guizhou Liyang International Manufacturing Co focuses on the R&D and manufacturing of aerospace power components.

Its products include core components of civil aviation engines, aircraft nacelle parts, national scientific research model tasks, ground gas turbine parts, oil drilling equipment parts, and Huawei submarine optical cables.

The aero-engine casing produced by Guizhou Aviation Technical Development Co, a company based in Guiyang, capital of Southwest China's Guizhou province and engaged in the research and development, manufacture and sale of annular forgings of aviation difficult-to-deform metal materials, has been selected as a single champion product.

The list of the seventh group of single "champion" enterprises and products in manufacturing was jointly published by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology and the China Federation of Industrial Economics.

As a national technological innovation demonstration enterprise, Guizhou Aviation Technical Development Co has independently developed 10 core technologies and made a major breakthrough in the precision manufacturing of large aero-engine casings.

View attachment 90443

Wu Yong'an, the company's deputy general manager, said that the technology in the precision manufacturing of large aero-engine casings is a core technology in several key fields and has been successfully developed by the company for many years.

The company has developed into a supplier for the world's top six aero-engine manufacturers through continuous efforts in research and development. It has also joined forces with a number of domestic high-end universities and research institutes to make breakthroughs in a number of core technologies in key fields. To date, it has 58 patents.

Zhang Hua, chairman of Guizhou Aviation Technical Development Co, said his company will take advantage of government policies, seize market opportunities, rely on Guizhou's aviation industrial chains, and build itself into a first-class aviation engine ring parts manufacturing center and make contributions to Guizhou's socioeconomic development.

View attachment 90444

As for SAC flag ship project of J-35 / J-31 B / J-31AE . It continues to refine the design, the FC-31 will undergo several modifications. The plan is to equip the aircraft with the Guizhou WS-19 turbofan engine, comparable to the J-20's engine."

Hey, bro.
Your information needs to be updated. The affiliations of these organizations have completely changed now.

In 2016, China formed Aero Engine Corporation of China (AECC), which brought all Chinese aero engine related organizations into AECC. including the famous 624/606 Research Institute, Shenyang Liming, Guizhou Liming, etc., which are now under AECC.

Guizhou Aircraft Company is now under Chengdu Aircraft Company and is no longer under the direct control of AVIC.
Shaanxi Aircraft Company is now under Xi'an Aircraft Company and is no longer under the direct control of AVIC.