PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Oscar]

Sorry, but alone the fact that he (or you) mentions the first batch of J-10 was 16 aircraft makes me sure, he (or you) does not know what he tells … there are clearly 20 J-10 already delivered.

As such I‘m happy when you are happy, but I would rather wait to celebrate …

Premature celebrations extend to many areas and activities in Pakistani society - as do many quacks advertising cures for them scribbled across walls and hanging on poles.

However, I there is some odd grey in these rumors which I had a passing chat(albeit in a social gathering and for a very limited while) with a reliable individual on - there are activities being undertaken in a smaller scale to have facilities ready for these aircraft due to additional requirements for them. Suggesting there may actually be a small number of these aircraft (perhaps from initial production numbers) for familiarization coming sooner than our expectations.

A lot is in these airframes which in some ways is J-20+ tech that the PAF is also going to have a learning curve to both learn to use and more importantly learn to employ unlike the PLAAF which has been using such technology/techniques for over a decade.

 

[Michael]

Ehhh, how can you insinuate/assume/accuse a PDF member of starting such a "rumor"?
Its on twitter/X, dude.
Hell, the guy who delivers groceries these days has an account on twitter/X - among others.
Dude, you seriously need to chill out. Its just a forum.

On the subject:

China does not have a “WS-10G” engine. Until now, we only have three main models of WS-10 engine “A/B/C”, and a TVC version of the experimental engine. The letter “G” has a special meaning in the Chinese military equipment code, and it is used in a completely different way from other letters. In the future, there may be “WS-10CG”, but never “WS-10G”.

“WS-10G” is a fake code that was deliberately made up by some people on some Chinese social media when they made up fake news. Then it was quoted by some military fans in the English-speaking world ......

We know that a large number of military fans and military analysts on both Chinese social media and English social media often visit PDF. a lot of military fans in the English-speaking world are active in both Twitter and PDF. i am posting this because i hope that people will stop spreading the fake news about some of them.

We're NOT working for Ministery of Defence. Nor is Turkey saying anything (so far).
And respectfully speaking..., you're not the OFFICIAL mouthpiece of People's Republic of China.
Not certain who these "friends of Pakistan" are you referring to.
Not sure how much you're aware of the past, but Pakistan played a major role between US & China during the Nixon-era.
I'm pretty certain both US & China had gained a lot at the time & over the years (even with a few hiccups)
...if down the line (unrelated to Defence), if, Pakistan can be a bridge between Turkey & China, I don't think President Xi will turn to @Michael to seek wisdom and advice.
Again, its just a twitter/X post. You need to relax.

1. I am fully aware of the relations between Pakistan and Turkey, and I have no intention of provoking the relations between the two countries, and I have no opinion whatsoever on the relations between the two countries.
2, We are all ordinary people and none of us can influence the foreign policy of our own country. Our statements can only represent our personal opinions.
3, I have been emphasizing one issue. Pakistan's relations with both Turkey and China are very good, but that does not mean Turkey's relations with China. If you think Pakistan can build a bridge between Turkey and China, please go and get some background first. This is not relevant to this thread and I won't say anything more about it. If you can go to Chinese social media, you will know something.
To avoid some conflicts from widening, I suggest. We can discuss things between China and Pakistan, and we can discuss things between Pakistan and Turkey, but don't ever mix all three countries into one topic.
This content has deviated from the main thread, so let's end this.

 

[Trailer23]

We can discuss things between China and Pakistan, and we can discuss things between Pakistan and Turkey, but don't ever mix all three countries into one topic.

I got everything you said earlier, except you still assume with certainty that some fake news about the WS-something 'G' Engine came from [PDF].

As for your quote above, I honestly do NOT know how to respond to you.

I will say that please don't go about giving ultimatums by using terms like "don't ever".

This is [PDF] & we'll do whatever the f#*k we want.

 

[Michael]

I got everything you said earlier, except you still assume with certainty that some fake news about the WS-something 'G' Engine came from [PDF].

As for your quote above, I honestly do NOT know how to respond to you.

I will say that please don't go about giving ultimatums by using terms like "don't ever".

This is [PDF] & we'll do whatever the f#*k we want.

You seem to misunderstand some of the issues.
I didn't say that the fake news about “WS-10G” came from PDF.
What I meant was: if the owner of this Twitter account is active in PDF, when he sees my statement, he will be able to realize that it is a fake news. And incidentally, to alert other friends of PDF. That's all. ------ Since Twitter is an illegal app in China, I will occasionally check Twitter via VPN, but will not speak on Twitter.

There are strict rules for naming and coding military equipment in China. If you take the time to learn these rules, you will know.

This is not an ultimatum. It could be a problem with the translation software. ------ As you know, I don't speak English.

 

[Oscar]

You seem to misunderstand some of the issues.
I didn't say that the fake news about “WS-10G” came from PDF.
What I meant was: if the owner of this Twitter account is active in PDF, when he sees my statement, he will be able to realize that it is a fake news. And incidentally, to alert other friends of PDF. That's all. ------ Since Twitter is an illegal app in China, I will occasionally check Twitter via VPN, but will not speak on Twitter.

There are strict rules for naming and coding military equipment in China. If you take the time to learn these rules, you will know.

This is not an ultimatum. It could be a problem with the translation software. ------ As you know, I don't speak English.

There is another aspect -

Many of these Twitter monikers that make up things(both related and unrelated to defense) have links to Youtube/TikTok videos on their own channel - where they intend to make money.

So a lot is “clickbait”(I don’t know if there is a Chinese term for this). So @Trailer23 is right that most is not cause for alarm.


However, some of these false claims are sometimes interpreted or used by slightly more reputable “news sources” or even tabloids - then at times they are misused by more reputable sources as truth. Which then can lead to complete lies being sold as truths by supposed reputable sources and at times can lead to actual diplomatic issues.

There are a few cases where such as happened in relations between Pakistan and US and even Pakistan-China because human beings can make mistakes and not verify sources.

 

[TallGuy]

@Deino @Oscar

J10CE

20 in serivce whole world knows this.
16 (first batch) (may be new contract or something/or new block or something )
54 (to be delivered later)
==
J-35A

2 (first deliveries) 2025
6 (small batch production) 2025
32 (to be delivered) 2025-27 time frame

lets hope! he is right!

 

[lightning f57]

Which friend in the PDF forum is this?
Whatever the case, please don't start rumors!

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My suprise is they mention ws10 and not ws19.

 

[Oscar]

@Deino @Oscar

J10CE

20 in serivce whole world knows this.
16 (first batch) (may be new contract or something/or new block or something )
54 (to be delivered later)
==
J-35A

2 (first deliveries) 2025
6 (small batch production) 2025
32 (to be delivered) 2025-27 time frame

lets hope! he is right!

We all hear things - some reliable, some unreliable(both due to ignorance or purposefully) - eventually until a clear unadulterated non-ai picture or video emerges it is still schrodingers cat.

 

[m52k85]

@MastanKhan @Zarvan @Falcon26

Gentlemen,
one of my customers who has just imported Lincoln Navigator 2025. we had a great discussion and guess what more J10CEs (16 first batch) and another 54 planned to be inducted in 2025-2026.

But what takes the cake! is J-35A this aircraft is coming this year and over 40+ are planned to be inducted in two years (2025-26). induction will be phased 2+6 small batch production will be in Pakistan this year with enough pilots to form TEF and by end of 2025 squadron will stand up operationally.

I am soooooo Happy! its an open forum so you can not be ever certain! but just to know makes me fly!

That friend of yours is feeding you or you are so gullible. A 100 year event in the history of bilateral relations needs a 100 year causing event. We are not close to it. Period.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

When the J-36/J-50 have been commissioned with the TBCC system in the incoming years, and the WS-15/WS-19 reach the number of WS-10.

Okay, then we can sell some WS-10B & WS-10C to power their KAAN.

China wants to set up some balance in the geopolitics of Eurasia.

 

[Michael]

J-35A
2 (first deliveries) 2025
6 (small batch production) 2025
32 (to be delivered) 2025-27 time frame
lets hope! he is right!

If you can read the photo below, you'll know. That's not hope for you, it's just a meaningless fantasy.

 

[TallGuy]

If you can read the photo below, you'll know. That's not hope for you, it's just a meaningless fantasy.
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who do you think i am? i am just a car salesman and military enthusiast.

please respect my knowledge level and explain why you post a building picture (military installation or a warehouse/factory).

 

[UKBengali]

When the J-36/J-50 have been commissioned with the TBCC system in the incoming years, and the WS-15/WS-19 reach the number of WS-10.

Okay, then we can sell some WS-10B & WS-10C to power their KAAN.

China wants to set up some balance in the geopolitics of Eurasia.

KAAN is not going to be exported till 2035 as it won't even come into TuAF service till the early 2030s.
Turkey probably won't be allowed a western engine unless it demonstates the capability to make a similar product itself. Why would the west sell the engine to Turkey to take fighter jet orders from them and potentially change the balance of power in critical regions against them?

I really do not see China having any issue selling WS-10C to Pakistan and then allowing integration by Turkey. Of course it would take years and the cost of modifying and testing the engine on the KAAN could easily run into many hundreds of millions or even a billion+. That would be the major bottleneck with using WS-10C and not China saying no to integrate the engine into KAAN.

 

[Trailer23]

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[ChineseTiger1986]

KAAN is not going to be exported till 2035 as it won't even come into TuAF service till the early 2030s.
Turkey probably won't be allowed a western engine unless it demonstates the capability to make a similar product itself. Why would the west sell the engine to Turkey to take fighter jet orders from them and potentially change the balance of power in critical regions against them?

I really do not see China having any issue selling WS-10C to Pakistan and then allowing integration by Turkey. Of course it would take years and the cost of modifying and testing the engine on the KAAN could easily run into many hundreds of millions or even a billion+. That would be the major bottleneck with using WS-10C and not China saying no to integrate the engine into KAAN.

The US will never sell the F119 to Turkey, nor Russia will sell the AL-51.

Both these countries are white christian who are intrinsically islamophobic.