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In my opinion, the Chinese approach to work is somewhat different. Their designs tend to be modular, which allows systems to be integrated based on specific requirements. They also manage a critical technology list at the smallest level, controlling what is restricted and what can be incorporated into a system. Therefore, I see it less as China 'watering down' technology and more as providing customized options tailored to requirements, with the exception of certain critical technologies. China was likely aware from the outset of the risk of tech leaks via sources in Pakistan, so I doubt such sensitive technology was ever offered to begin with.

Of course, this is just my speculation. I'm not an expert and don't have any sources in this field, by any means.
China's technical confidentiality system is divided into two systems, and then each is divided into three levels.
Two situations: military system and non-military system
Three levels: 1. 绝密 Top secret; 2. 机密 Confidential; 3. 秘密 Secret (English translation may not be accurate)

Military system:
1. Top secret level. Its name will not be known to the outside world, let alone the technology. It has no possibility of export. These technologies are directly controlled by research institutions or factories directly under the military, and military enterprises cannot access them.
2. Confidential level. The outside world knows its name, but does not know any details. It is also impossible to export.
3. Secret level. The outside world knows its name and some general principles, but is not clear about the details. It is within the scope of export, but requires confidentiality review and contract constraints from the military.

Non-military system (internal confidentiality level of military enterprises):
1. Top secret level. It is roughly equivalent to the confidentiality level of the military system. It is generally under the responsibility of state-owned military enterprises, but they are directly guarded by military representatives stationed by the military.
2. Confidential level. It is roughly equivalent to the secret level of the military system. It is generally also under the responsibility of state-owned military enterprises, managed by military representatives stationed by the military, and guarded by qualified security companies.
3. Secret level. This level has nothing to do with the military and is determined by the military enterprises themselves. You can understand it as the technical secrets of the enterprise. It is generally also protected by qualified security companies.

When evaluating the confidentiality level of science and technology, it may involve dual evaluation of military and non-military systems. Some advanced technologies may originate from non-military systems, but once they are evaluated as having a higher confidentiality level than military systems, the military will intervene.
For example: Twin-Tailed Scorpion UAV
It was originally a UAV project for logistics and transportation jointly developed by two private enterprises in China (Tengdun and JD.com). After the military discovered the value of the project, it quickly negotiated with relevant parties and acquired the project. So it became "TB-001 UAV". The research institute and production factory of the project are still in charge of private enterprises, but the military is responsible for security.

Some technical information of military systems with confidentiality levels can be exported to specific friendly countries under special circumstances, but it requires the consent of very high-level military agencies.
The level of China-Pakistan diplomatic relations is very high. If a certain confidential technology of a military system is approved by the Central Military Commission, it can be exported to Pakistan (a very strict confidentiality agreement and technical supervision are required to prevent it from flowing into a third country).
 
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Only speculations, but something will come out in 3-6 months regarding this meeting.
 
Thanks for not saying, "I have my sources". Others should learn (though not many fanboys left these days).

Coming back to the topic, watered down version is pretty much standard these days.
It’s simple - I go to Pakistan or speak to an old friend via WhatsApp with vague details. Piece together my short years of the industry and how things are done - mix it with open source intel and you can paint a relative picture.
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Therefore, his meeting with the PAF Chief of Staff was more ceremonial and had no practical value.

When the incumbent PAF chief is giving the PAF VIP plane to the favourite daughter of house of Shareef, for her beauty treatment in Switzerland, when the Army hierarchy is hell bend on dropping their pants infront of America just to be in their good books, fearing Imran Khan, and then you have army of idiots who take their demi gods in uniform as some sort of genius, put it bluntly, J35 or J20 is least of China worries, whole package which is Pak-China relationship is in tailspin. Pain me to say this, if I am in Chinese shoes, I will keep these snakes in uniform at arms length.
 
Why we are even buying it when when are not even intending to use it?
 
Lol you want that PAF will induct unfinished J35As lol
Well to play devil's advocate
Wouldn't it be smart to say get a few prototypes or atleast pre-production planes for the PAF to test and consult? See how they integrate within our fleet and datalink systems, and ask for specific upgrades or modifications to fit our needs?

I do think there's a possibility of that happening, and can sit well within the timeline of our members that predict J-35s entering Pak early, though a formal induction would still be a while away.
 
Well to play devil's advocate
Wouldn't it be smart to say get a few prototypes or atleast pre-production planes for the PAF to test and consult? See how they integrate within our fleet and datalink systems, and ask for specific upgrades or modifications to fit our needs?

I do think there's a possibility of that happening, and can sit well within the timeline of our members that predict J-35s entering Pak early, though a formal induction would still be a while away.
Yaar we already in contact with SAC to have datalink update in J35As and other minor upgrades there is not big issue

And does we have testing facility and calibration facilities to test the aerodynamic properties of prototypes?
 
Exciting days ahead for PAF, J35 like JF17 will be with PAF, and with 6 Gen aircrafts in chinese inventory from 2030 onwards, Asia will see dominance in airpower at the level of western countries
 
How long is the planned training course on the J-35?

Ground crew
Pilots

Would imagine training the ground crew is more time consuming then pilots who merely need to get used to the plane key components. They already know how to fly a plane I assume
 
How long is the planned training course on the J-35?

Ground crew
Pilots

Would imagine training the ground crew is more time consuming then pilots who merely need to get used to the plane key components. They already know how to fly a plane I assume
Bhai , they one or three prototypes ..I seriously doubt the news it partially correct.

Pilots are there for training - yes
what are they training on -- BIG UNKOWN!

you train on operationally deployed aircraft not on prototypes.

Test pilots are required for prototypes. my gut say pilots under training are not test pilots.
 

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