PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

[Scorpio]

When will be actual production of J35 s is expected

 

[Toxic]

When will be actual production of J35 s is expected

2028 is my guess and PAF will receive it's J-35s why 2030

 

[mythbuster]

1. We have no doubt that the PAF will get the J-35. However, 40 J-35s are too many. Even if China offers preferential terms of a large low-interest loan, Pakistan does not have enough money to pay the down payment.

2. China will not provide J-35 technology transfer to Pakistan.
Factor 1: There is no point for Pakistan to hold the J-35 technology.
Factor 2: Pakistan will seriously leak the J-35 technology.

With all due respect you come across as a pretender not an insider

 

[Ali_Baba]

With all due respect you come across as a pretender not an insider

Everyone on this forum is a pretender, and not an insider ......

 

[Deino]

With all due respect you come across as a pretender not an insider

Then I prefer his claims all days over those by some of these so-called Pakistani insiders - not sure if this is often a self-proclaimed term for hiding "I'm the biggest fan-boy" - since how often was he correct with claims and explanations about China and how often have these self-proclaimed "insiders" been correct when they were reporting "trust me brother, I know ... there are already JH-7A, J-16 in Pakistan, Block 70 F-16s are soon to be delivered, we will get everything, even J-20 and by the way we are also getting retired RAF Typhoons"!

And now some "insider" think claims, China would transfer J-35s before they have their own ones in service including ToT is just the next BS ...

 

[Toxic]

Then I prefer his claims all days over those by some of these so-called Pakistani insiders - not sure if this is often a self-proclaimed term for hiding "I'm the biggest fan-boy" - since how often was he correct with claims and explanations about China and how often have these self-proclaimed "insiders" been correct when they were reporting "trust me brother, I know ... there are already JH-7A, J-16 in Pakistan, Block 70 F-16s are soon to be delivered, we will get everything, even J-20 and by the way we are also getting retired RAF Typhoons"!

And now some "insider" think claims, China would transfer J-35s before they have their own ones in service including ToT is just the next BS ...

Not to forget "we will have J-35s by 2026"

 

[mythbuster]

Then I prefer his claims all days over those by some of these so-called Pakistani insiders - not sure if this is often a self-proclaimed term for hiding "I'm the biggest fan-boy" - since how often was he correct with claims and explanations about China and how often have these self-proclaimed "insiders" been correct when they were reporting "trust me brother, I know ... there are already JH-7A, J-16 in Pakistan, Block 70 F-16s are soon to be delivered, we will get everything, even J-20 and by the way we are also getting retired RAF Typhoons"!

And now some "insider" think claims, China would transfer J-35s before they have their own ones in service including ToT is just the next BS ...

I am genuinely new to PDF.... don't know anything about these claims......I am not insider and yet I am going to make a bold claim......J35 will be inducted in PAF and PLAF at roughly the same time.......and there will be ToT.

 

[Deino]

I am genuinely new to PDF.... don't know anything about these claims......I am not insider and yet I am going to make a bold claim......J35 will be inducted in PAF and PLAF at roughly the same time.......and there will be ToT.

Don't get me wrong and my reply was not meant against your post in person, but only since you went against @Michael , IMO one of the most credible and civilised posters here in the Chinese section and at least IMO it sounded as if you would "prefer" claims by Pakistani insiders!

The problem only is, who is a true insider? And per my understanding, most true insiders with really knowledge are keeping a low profile, barely claim anything and most of all never boast about being an insider, whereas all who claim being an insider or using information provided by are at best self-proclaimed ones and most often the most fanatic fan-boys. Just as @arslank01 noted, look at these idiotic claims, Pakistan would get J-35 already in 2025, maybe 2026 before the PLAAF - some even claimed, the PLAAF needs Pakistan's experience to get them combat-ready, and ToT ...

 

[Michael]

With all due respect you come across as a pretender not an insider

1. I identify as a general military enthusiast, not an insider. I have stated this many times.
In fact, I can tell you very clearly. In China, it is absolutely forbidden for any true insider to privately post any information on social media. This is a serious violation of Chinese law.
There are only two types of “military experts” active on Chinese social media.
99% of the “military experts” are ordinary military enthusiasts who do not have any real insider background or information channels, and they are people who rely on web traffic to make money.
The 1% of “military experts” are real insiders, but the news they publish is strictly controlled. You can think of this as an official way of keeping the news under wraps.

2. Relevant information on PAF's J-35.
You seem to have forgotten. when PAF previously purchased 20 J-10CEs, the vast majority of the purchase price was a loan from China. To date, the payment for that shipment has not been settled.
Then Pakistan's friends offered to purchase 40 J-35s. it was a much bigger deal. So where is the money going to come from?

ToT, this is a joke.
Many Pakistani fans are not able to wake up to political and military strategy. So, I have already qualified many of my statements to avoid hurting each other's feelings.

1, What can Pakistan do for J-35?
So far, Pakistan can only produce most of the airframes of the JF-17 and cannot produce any subsystems of the JF-17. Some special structural parts for the JF-17 are still provided by CAC.
The airframe of the J-35 is made using an ultra-large 3D metal printing unibody molding process. Do you think Pakistan can manufacture it?
The J-35 stealth skin and coating is a high level military secret. It is very technologically difficult. Can Pakistan manufacture it?
Well, you can refute me by citing any substantial work on the J-35 that Pakistan can accomplish.

2. China is now building “Industry 4.0” on a large scale. The military-industrial complex is a key area of this program. The vast majority of all newly constructed production lines are being built according to the standards of “dark factories”. This kind of production line is not something that Pakistan can have at present. If you don't understand the concept, you can look it up. This factory production model completely vetoes the possibility of the J-35 being produced in Pakistan on a CKD basis.

3. Political and military strategic factors. This is the bottom line of national security. Based on current Sino-Pakistani relations, it is not appropriate to discuss this issue.

 

[Arsalan45]

Pakistan doesn’t make j-35 and only made few parts of jf-17. There is nothing like made in pakistan. Without Chinese help, pakistan might be doomed long time ago so we should be thankful to china. Tot is possible but only in future, not now.

 

[Ak01]

1. I identify as a general military enthusiast, not an insider. I have stated this many times.
In fact, I can tell you very clearly. In China, it is absolutely forbidden for any true insider to privately post any information on social media. This is a serious violation of Chinese law.
There are only two types of “military experts” active on Chinese social media.
99% of the “military experts” are ordinary military enthusiasts who do not have any real insider background or information channels, and they are people who rely on web traffic to make money.
The 1% of “military experts” are real insiders, but the news they publish is strictly controlled. You can think of this as an official way of keeping the news under wraps.

2. Relevant information on PAF's J-35.
You seem to have forgotten. when PAF previously purchased 20 J-10CEs, the vast majority of the purchase price was a loan from China. To date, the payment for that shipment has not been settled.
Then Pakistan's friends offered to purchase 40 J-35s. it was a much bigger deal. So where is the money going to come from?

ToT, this is a joke.
Many Pakistani fans are not able to wake up to political and military strategy. So, I have already qualified many of my statements to avoid hurting each other's feelings.

1, What can Pakistan do for J-35?
So far, Pakistan can only produce most of the airframes of the JF-17 and cannot produce any subsystems of the JF-17. Some special structural parts for the JF-17 are still provided by CAC.
The airframe of the J-35 is made using an ultra-large 3D metal printing unibody molding process. Do you think Pakistan can manufacture it?
The J-35 stealth skin and coating is a high level military secret. It is very technologically difficult. Can Pakistan manufacture it?
Well, you can refute me by citing any substantial work on the J-35 that Pakistan can accomplish.

2. China is now building “Industry 4.0” on a large scale. The military-industrial complex is a key area of this program. The vast majority of all newly constructed production lines are being built according to the standards of “dark factories”. This kind of production line is not something that Pakistan can have at present. If you don't understand the concept, you can look it up. This factory production model completely vetoes the possibility of the J-35 being produced in Pakistan on a CKD basis.

3. Political and military strategic factors. This is the bottom line of national security. Based on current Sino-Pakistani relations, it is not appropriate to discuss this issue.

genuinely you just spout bullshit

 

[Ak01]

Pakistan doesn’t make j-35 and only made few parts of jf-17. There is nothing like made in pakistan. Without Chinese help, pakistan might be doomed long time ago so we should be thankful to china. Tot is possible but only in future, not now.

This is also deluded bullshit

 

[Distant_Observer]

They should fast track delivery for the end of the year.

Should also be looking to induct a squadron of 6th generation ASAP.

 

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[mythbuster]

IMF doesn't have a loan category for weapon purchase.

We can pledge Afghanistan minerals as collateral.