PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[Waterboy]

The images aren't lying. Both the systems are in service. Korkut and Sahin.

HQ17 also in induction process as i said earlier back in july.

Considering HQ 17 AE isn't ARH, how will it fare against brahmos and other cruise missile strikes?

 

[Oscar]

Considering HQ 17 AE isn't ARH, how will it fare against brahmos and other cruise missile strikes?

It is not really optimized for Brahmos problem because Brahmos wasnt really a problem -- Scalp was.
Scalp is tackled very well with this.

The updates to Brahmos India is making are to counter the spoofing which basically neutralized at least 50%(if not more) of Brahmos shots which then went on their merry way to Afghanistan at times.

The hard kill for brahmos is already tackled by HQ-16 which is also why it was made a priority target for Harop strikes.

If you want to figure what stack is best to cater for all - look at the Type 55 DDG.

The HQ-17AE wont work against another Harop or loitering munition barrage and would be a waste - that is where you have Korkut to kill your harops and other loitering ones - and then Sahin catches those FPV and other drops right before the actual target.

 

[AliKazmi007]

wanted to share this on the good stuff show cased in latest PAF video:

Pakistan Unveils KORKUT Drone-Killer as Türkiye Reshapes South Asia’s Air Defences - Defence Security Asia

Pakistan unveils KORKUT, HQ-17AE and ŞAHİN air defences as Turkish technology transforms its counter-drone strategy and regional force posture.

defencesecurityasia.com

 

[Afif]

It is not really optimized for Brahmos problem because Brahmos wasnt really a problem -- Scalp was.
Scalp is tackled very well with this.

The updates to Brahmos India is making are to counter the spoofing which basically neutralized at least 50%(if not more) of Brahmos shots which then went on their merry way to Afghanistan at times.

The hard kill for brahmos is already tackled by HQ-16 which is also why it was made a priority target for Harop strikes.

If you want to figure what stack is best to cater for all - look at the Type 55 DDG.

The HQ-17AE wont work against another Harop or loitering munition barrage and would be a waste - that is where you have Korkut to kill your harops and other loitering ones - and then Sahin catches those FPV and other drops right before the actual target.

The issue I find is that, HQ17AE and Korkut are incompatible. Yes, both can do what you are describing, but if there was a way have them layered and networked, it would have been far more optimised and redundant no? So why go for two different OEM for two different layers of AD coverage? Chinese do have similar solution like Korkut.

 

[Aziqbal]

HQ17 is part of a wider integrated network of air defence

its not meant to operate on its own

the bigger picture is that Pakistans Air Force is now operating in its own heavy air defence network

this is additional pressure on the Air Force and will take years of training no doubt

 

[Oscar]

The issue I find is that, HQ17AE and Korkut are incompatible. Yes, both can do what you are describing, but if there was a way have them layered and networked, it would have been far more optimised and redundant no? So why go for two different OEM for two different layers of AD coverage? Chinese do have similar solution like Korkut.

Mix of availability and class specific battle tested aspects.
The initial goal is coordinated(as it was with many system early) so you get to see engagement range and common IFF which you can send through Skyguard since the focus has been to make it less "air centric" in terms of picture but it can assign shooters.

Lets see you delay a bit on IFF and you have a Indian loitering munition and a Shahpar crossing back and forth for whatever reason and the Korkut blows the wrong thing out of the sky.

You need both a local facility(AB/Infra etc) C2 - that is what the Indians hit I think(except they hit the empty shell - project delays actually being useful here) in Nur Khan.

There is an agreement with the Turks for interop DL but its in infancy.

Today, Skyguard (with @side-winder sweating in his own seat somewhere) can paint a good picture of targets coming in and assign it to a sector(s)(this is apparently and then they coordinate the last mile (hopefully quick).

The goal is Skyguard picks the sector automatically and then local C2 takes over with full insight to unit statuses, sight and range picture including getting small RCS(the DJI type) which then KNOWS what effect to assign where.

And did I mention this all has to be done in milliseconds(if not less).