PAF SAM based Air Defense System - News, Discussion & Updates

[Jamie]

Yes from HIT, it would have been good to replace our old Chinese and British ww2 era artillery the FC is still using, ballistic computers plus the ability fire guided shells and would have also been good to finally standardize our insanely diverse artillery stock.

We had heard the 155 mm artillery gun had been sent for extensive testing, but what came out of it was never revealed.
HIT was very confident in it.
My assumption became that the few produced test units had major differences in quality between test units or probably HIT required substantial funding to make a quality production line or the funding was cut short in favor of acquiring self propelled howitzers.
It could be any one of the above or all of them contributed to it.

I would have liked for the army to provide substantial funding for this rather than HIT going on it with it’s meager resources.
But alas we never learn to prioritize crucial indigenous production.

 

[farooqbhai]

We had heard the 155 mm artillery gun had been sent for extensive testing, but what came out of it was never revealed.
HIT was very confident in it.
My assumption became that the few produced test units had major differences in quality between test units or probably HIT required substantial funding to make a quality production line or the funding was cut short in favor of acquiring self propelled howitzers.
It could be any one of the above or all of them contributed to it.

I would have liked for the army to provide substantial funding for this rather than HIT going on it with it’s meager resources.
But alas we never learn to prioritize crucial indigenous production.

My personal opinion there is both a Wheeled SPH and Towed SPH fully developed by HIT, both are for foreign customers and may have already been delivered.

PA is betting on SH15 more since you simply can't match Chinese price or Production capacity which is more logical way to go for Pakistan so we won't go for Local Wheeled SPH, perhaps a Fully automated wheeled SPH built locally could be viable though.

 

[farooqbhai]

May be

Anyways a support vehicle was damaged and not HQ9 itself

Per @farooqbhai it was identified as a support vehicle of locally upgraded AD if I am not mistaken. Probably crotale?

HQ-16 you mean. Well, that's a relief. But my question was more about how was it missed? If the reasons have been discussed already, I'd appreciate if someone can divert me to that thread.

It was a Support vehicle which is simply attached to AD units for various tasks. It was not part of HQ16 or HQ9, it was not a power generator vehicle. Now please end this stupid discussion

 

[Toxic]

My personal opinion there is both a Wheeled SPH and Towed SPH fully developed by HIT, both are for foreign customers and may have already been delivered.

PA is betting on SH15 more since you simply can't match Chinese price or Production capacity which is more logical way to go for Pakistan so we won't go for Local Wheeled SPH, perhaps a Fully automated wheeled SPH built locally could be viable though.

I doubt it, why would foreign customers ask us specifically to develop a towed artillery when there are already Chinese options available on the market, towed artillery would have still been good for the non mobile western front, being able to accurately vaporize TTA posts would have been a good ability to have had

 

[farooqbhai]

I doubt it, why would foreign customers ask us specifically to develop a towed artillery when there are already Chinese options available on the market, towed artillery would have still been good for the non mobile western front, being able to accurately vaporize TTA posts would have been a good ability to have had

Aap bus doubt hee kartey raho phir. Alif bey ka pata nahi doubt karney aajana hai ....

 

[Toxic]

Aap bus doubt hee kartey raho phir. Alif bey ka pata nahi doubt karney aajana hai ....

Wahi jhalat , na koi reasoning bas apne dun me ghum

 

[Bilal]

Wahi jhalat

I would recommend you see his Twitter to gauge his knowledge level. It you are free to believe whatever you want.

 

[Toxic]

I would recommend you see his Twitter to gauge his knowledge level. It you are free to believe whatever you want.

I never doubted his know how about systems, but his reasoning on why the towed artillery would be for a foreign customer, apparently he took offense to that and called me "unpar"

 

[Bilal]

I never doubted his know how about systems, but his reasoning on why the towed artillery would be for a foreign customer, apparently he took offense to that

It is. It has been confirmed by panzerkiel too. You have to understand that people are limited in what they can divulge on public forum. And every piece of information they share comes with a level of personal risk in that they may over step what they are allowed to be shared. So just be a little thankful.

 

[Toxic]

It is. It has been confirmed by panzerkeil too. You have to understand that people are limited in what they can divulge on public forum. And every piece of information they share comes with a level of personal risk in that they may over step what they are allowed to be shared. So just be a little thankful.

He shared his personal opinion, I don't expect anybody to disclose anything, if they are disclosing something that they know then they are doing it out of their own free will.

 

[Bilal]

He shared his personal opinion, I don't expect anybody to disclose anything, if they are disclosing something that they know then they are doing it out of their own free will.

Got it. Please press the ignore button on the members you don’t like. You’ll not see their posts.

 

[Bratva]

I doubt it, why would foreign customers ask us specifically to develop a towed artillery when there are already Chinese options available on the market, towed artillery would have still been good for the non mobile western front, being able to accurately vaporize TTA posts would have been a good ability to have had

Qatar/GCC counteries are heavily investing in defense ventures where they will get the IP and build defense products at home. UAE invested alot in south african products and buidling lot of products inhouse. Qatar barzan defense holdings is doing similar thing by investing in american startups and various defense organizations.

Latest assume based on educated guess, someone in GCC wants to build artillery at home/inhouse. They approached china which refused to give ToT. Take SP15 as an example. Pakistan is buying them in bulk but can't make them at home. So Pakistan pitched the idea of artillery to GCC countries and how the entire IP will be transferred to them. So, someone invested in HIIT/Pak def establishments artillery.

What was the result of this investment remains shrouded in secrecy.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Qatar/GCC counteries are heavily investing in defense ventures where they will get the IP and build defense products at home. UAE invested alot in south african products and buidling lot of products inhouse. Qatar barzan defense holdings is doing similar thing by investing in american startups and various defense organizations.

Be verry careful about UAE group Edge. It is basically becoming a front for Israeli technology and platforms.

Edge Group invests in Israeli defence supplier

UAE state-owned defence conglomerate Edge Group has bought a 30 percent stake in Israeli military supplier Thirdeye Systems for $10 million

www.agbi.com

 

[Reichmarshal]

We had heard the 155 mm artillery gun had been sent for extensive testing, but what came out of it was never revealed.
HIT was very confident in it.
My assumption became that the few produced test units had major differences in quality between test units or probably HIT required substantial funding to make a quality production line or the funding was cut short in favor of acquiring self propelled howitzers.
It could be any one of the above or all of them contributed to it.

I would have liked for the army to provide substantial funding for this rather than HIT going on it with it’s meager resources.
But alas we never learn to prioritize crucial indigenous production.

Theirs no post retirement fund to be made if they are produced in house.
Money can only be made if u import. So sabotage ur own product n promote all the snake oil sellers, going around in their hundreds

 

[Jamie]

Theirs no post retirement fund to be made if they are produced in house.
Money can only be made if u import. So sabotage ur own product n promote all the snake oil sellers, going around in their hundreds

Not always true.
The Chinese option is without a doubt far superior and cheap to import.

If it was being financed by a gulf state then ur argument falls short. PA it self didn’t put funding behind it from the start and had evaluated Chinese option before it, most likely had made up their minds of going for Chinese .

But we can hope that the 155 barrel produced showed good results in field tests. If so PA can then put funding behind it aswell, and the self propelled version can be made to complement if not compete with Chinese sh-15s