Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Signalian]

A few thoughts. My heart goes out for the sad loss of 23 Pakistani bravehearts who made the ultimate sacrifice. Inna lillahi wa inna alai hi rajaoun. NO ONE should forget this!

The cost for Afghans through conventional means has to be raised exponentially for each life lost. Our kill ratio cannot be something like 1:2. It needs to be an over-match and an overkill in order to set the right deterrence.

The interesting thing is that in every single conflagration, the Taliban and prior Afghan army took significant damage. This was the reason that the border was relatively calm in the times prior to the American invasion.

This lesson has unfortunately been lost on the Taliban who think they single-handedly defeated foreign powers (even though in reality without Pakistan's support they could not do diddly). It needs to be re-learnt iA.

The vast majority of us Pakistanis were/are still favorably disposed towards Afghans/Afghanistan but their own words/actions betray a deep-rooted hate/sense of superiority (for reasons that nobody in the world understands) over Pakistan.
They hate Pakistan/Pakistanis more than all of their occupiers including the Soviets and Americans who mass murdered them and desecrated their women and girls. Yet, all the hate is directed by them to Pakistan which is still hosting 4 million brethren of these shameless Afghan Taliban and elite.

Then lets not be surprised when a new wave of attacks on LEAs begin in a new manner in Pakistan. There is a good chunk of population who has ties with Afghans and then there are the Afghan sympathizers. The guerilla warfare of TTP cannot sustain unless the local population gives them safe havens and provides passages.

 

[hasssanali8998]

If you are not familiar enough with your country's dealings with the IMF and how it has been utterly detrimental to Pakistan, than I really have no interest in having a conversation about it, as you are either arguing in bad faith or just lack the necessary understanding of the topic to debate it.


Egypt's external debt to GDP ratio is about the same as Pakistan, with Egypt having a much stronger currency relative to Pakistan, this is largely due to the fat midget making all sort of deals with the IMF.
As for the US aid, it's almost entirely in military kits, it came in exchange for the camp david agreement.

where did our economic situation come firm how is that relevant to this conversation , this was about avenging terrorist attacks on our military and civilians

 

[hasssanali8998]

Then lets not be surprised when a new wave of attacks on LEAs begin in a new manner in Pakistan. There is a good chunk of population who has ties with Afghans and then there are the Afghan sympathizers. The guerilla warfare of TTP cannot sustain unless the local population gives them safe havens and provides passages.

that's why the new normal is good , if they conduct these attack we will attack them again and harder each time

 

[Signalian]

difference this timeis that its not 1000 of kms away and India will not send soldiers and afghanis have no equipment

Im not saying that 1971 separation disaster is repeating, I am just saying that this is the second time the ones trained by Pakistan are turning on Pakistan disastrously.

 

[hasssanali8998]

disastrously

dude that's a overstatement

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Likely they’ve fled to caves and simply no immidiete targets

I'm sure there are more targets if Pakistan decide to escalate.

 

[hasssanali8998]

I'm sure there are more targets if Pakistan decide to escalate.

i swear if DG ISPR says time and place of our choosing in the presser i am going to loose my shit

 

[Arkan55]

where did our economic situation come firm how is that relevant to this conversation , this was about avenging terrorist attacks on our military and civilians

Read the post chain, smart one.

 

[flyingorca]

Agreed completely. We have a habit of becoming our own worse enemy.

East and west Pakistan was in a very very bad situation.
1. Geography, 1500 miles apart with India in middile. Had Bangladesh been within one border as west Pakistan, things would have been different.
2. Logistics
3. Language and culture were totally different from rest of Pakistan. Infact East pakistan had more in common with India.

 

[Signalian]

No official ceasefire and no strikes. Does it mean Pakistan is waiting for next terrorist attack which could happen tomorrow or next week? Then pound Afghanistan harder and see if it works. Even 6-12 months of relative peace would be big deal looking at current year fatalities in KP and Balochistan.

Keep mowing the grass from time to time.

What you need to think is the advantages Pakistan has and how can that lead to a long term solution so events like this dont repeat in future ?

Pakistan has technology, a variety of weapon arsenal as well as a sizeable field Army and a fair enough budget. How can that give advantage to Pakistan over Taliban who can run into mountains for next 20 Years (as seen during ISAF tenure) and then come back and take over the country.

Pakistan can bomb the hell out of them, push their infrastructure back a few more years, but what is vital for Taliban which could actually hurt them in the long run ? PAF can send 1000 sorties per day and create rubble after rubble, but are we playing a game of numbers, like Pakistan kills 500 TTA/TTP while Taliban kill 100 Pakistan soldeirs so does Pakistan win ? Vietnam war proves otherwise. VC had tunnels, Taliban have caves.

Whats the long term effective and practical solution ? No a day dream wish. And what are the steps to reach that solution?

 

[Signalian]

dude that's a overstatement

Has TTP not done enough damage ?
These are the ones Pakistan trained to be sent into Kashmir. ISAF escaped from Afghanistan, Taliban opened jails and the TTP menace arrived inside Pakistan. Its been death and blood there on.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

There's a time for peace, and there's a time for war. And, the come in cycles. Looks like the Pak Deep State is opting for the latter till its present objectives are achieved.....

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[hasssanali8998]

Read the post chain, smart one.

 

[Signalian]

There's a time for peace, and there's a time for war. And, the come in cycles. Looks like the Pak Deep State is opting for the latter till its present objectives are achieved.....

BIG Breaking News LIVE! Pakistan Army’s New Victory – Afghans Beg for Ceasefire! | Khara Sach​

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I think victory comes when TTP is defeated completely.

 

[313Ghazi]

We are an American vassal state, if that makes us a zio vassal than you would have to count the whole of the ME as a Zio vassal state.

Idk why everyone is being rude to you, i understand your sentiments but you need to understand the nuance of the matter.

1. The day Pakistan was created Afghanistan refused to recognise it. All Afghan governments refuse to accept the border.

2. Pakistan has hosted millions of Afghan refugees since 1979. Every time they have a conflict more come over. I think we had close to 10 million at one point.

3. Pakistan has supported the Afghans defeat the USSR and the USA when they occupied Afghanistan. We turned our borderlands into launchpads and safe havens for the resistance.

4. In 2001 the Taliban refused to handover Usama Bin Laden to the USA and the USA waged war on them.

5. Pakistan was told to either allow the US access through its territory or face total military destruction. Under threat we facilitated the US supply lines.

6. In return Al Queda and Taliban affiliated extremists carried out regular suicide attacks across Pakistani towns and cities. We lost 80,000 people to this war.

7. Pakistans military waged multiple wars against terrorist group and the tribes protecting them and terrorism in Pakistan practically ended.

8. Pakistan banked on a Taliban controlled Afghanistan beong a non hostile neighbour. Pakistan was wrong. The Taliban provided sanctuary to anti Pakistan terror groups who have continued to carry out attacks on Pakistan.

9. After years of talks and broken promises Pakistan launched airstrikes killing the leader of the TTP (an anti Pakistan terror group). He was in Kabul.

10. Afghanistan retaliated and attacked our border posts.

11. Basically they fucked around and now they're finding out.