Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[SoulSpokesman]

@Trailer23

In the meantime, this all Afghanistan can do...

Sounds familiar. A dear Brit Pakistani friend of mine (based out of York) had gone to watch the AF-PAK match in WC 2019 (Leeds) and there was a violent rioting by AFG crowd members after they lost narrowly. He nearly escaped what could have been a fatal throw of rock at him.

Regards

 

[That_Guy]

You mean Jack Ryan Doctrine?

No idea what that is.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@That_Guy

To be fair, a lot of people, including myself had misgivings and were distrustful of the taliban.

I know, sir! I have followed your posts from the old PDF days and have known you to be one of the most balanced members apart from being a thorough gentleman.

Regards

 

[krash]

While I don't presume to know the details of the army and FC operations against the taliban. I can however guess that it's the taliban who need these ceasefire more than the army and FC.
Pakistan shouldn't have accepted it without condition. Make them say publicly that they need a ceasefire.

I don't believe Pakistan expects much out of the Afghans at this stage, given the degenerate nature of their mentality, but do also see why they would have accepted the pause. If there's a remote possibility of getting what we want without further operations then it's the State's responsibility to give it a cautious shot.

The conditions will probably be laid out during the negotiations that Pakistan hopes will follow this pause. If we get what we want while allowing them to act big domestically then no problem. Just like in India, the people of actual concern in Afghanistan also know exactly what we have done to them.

 

[Aggregate]

@Aggregate sb

That was a very different brass made up of Imran Khan/ Bajwa /Faiz Hameed

Actually, I wasn't referring to the Pak top brass at all! I was referring to my PDF friends here (who were then on the old PDF) who were cheering the victory of the "Kandhari gang" and making fun of us Indians.

You may want to login to the old PDF forum and check the comments of the Pak members there.

Regards

It is because the whole geostrategy changed after Modi made the huge blunder of Op Sindoor. Before that Pakistan did not have many options and groups like Taliban were its geostrategic card. After Sindoor, the tables turned. Now India finds itself isolated internationally and is reaching out to the Taliban as their only remaining option.

As simple as that. We cheer for what we think are Pakistani strategic gains based on the situation. Earlier Taliban could work against our interest but we had no better option. Now the Taliban went against us in the lap of India so why would we still cheer for them anymore ?

Indians cheered for Trump when he was elected, so why are Indians not cheering for him anymore ? Why were Indians not cheering for Taliban earlier by cheering for them now ? Its not a lack of knowledge in the past, its just changed options and realities.

 

[SABRE]

So, is Sirajuddin Haqqani our new top guy?
He said this yesterday in Paktika, surprisingly in the open, when no other leader had been seen during our clashes with the IEA. Internal TTA clashes prolly?

"During his recent visit to Paktika province, Interior Minister of Taliban Sirajuddin Haqqani criticized certain senior officials for claiming credit for Afghanistan’s jihad and the sacrifices made during it.
Haqqani said that some high-ranking figures are trying to take credit for the struggle and martyrdom of others."

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Haqqani group is an old guard of Afghan resistance and Taliban, and at the same time it is an independent force in its own right. They have been fighting since the Soviet invasion in the 1970s. Hence, Sirajuddin Haqqani may be partly right in what he saying.

Haqqanis were always the top guys for Pakistan. After the US invasion Pakistani political elements who had connections with the Taliban insisted that the US holds talks with the Haqqanis, especially its chief Jalaluddin Haqqani, father of Sirajuddin. He was considered relatively moderate compared to others or, at least, willing to listen. His son is generally considered more aggressive. Nevertheless, if Haqqani-Pakistan relations still hold substance, they might be good alternative regime, if they decide to breakaway from the Taliban. I suspect if they do breakaway it could mean an end for Afghan Taliban, particularly if the divorce is violent.

However, we no longer know if anyone in Afghanistan can be trusted anymore.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Also i see Pakistani drone strike videos where they are only targeting buildings while letting go the Talis . The Talis dont need buildings . dont waste ammo on Buildings, instead go after the personnel. Thats the only way of defeating them. Its not a conventional force and they dont fight a conventional war.

There are many valuable buildings in Afghanistan, the Taliban is not exclusively a guerilla force anymore it controls a country now so has access to resources.

Many buildings house valuable equipment, ammunition, commanders, that are important to their warfighting

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Aggregate sb

people here were cheering, Indians were against Taliban. Now Indians are cheering for Taliban, Pakistanis are against Taliban. You can then go equally ask Indian members why they were upset then, but cheering now ?

Indeed, you are correct. The Q is as applicable for Indians as it is for Pakistanis (both in PDF and in real life). The only difference is that Afghanis (Talib or otherwise) are next door neighbours to PAK but not to IND. The price that Pakistanis will pay for getting their Afghan policy wrong will always be higher than the price that Indians will pay.

And indeed as @That_Guy sb says there were lot of wise Pakistani posters on (the old) PDF who questioned the cheering for Talibs.

Regards

 

[Psyko70]

Thats uncalled for . Lets not become Israel. Target only those who are fighting.

Hello sir,

You are right. But problem is the non combatants are not complying with Pakistan and not reporting the afghani's hiding behind them. I have seen videos where soldiers requesting people to comply with them and tell them whereabouts hidden in their areas.

 

[hussain0216]

I don't believe Pakistan expects much out of the Afghans at this stage, given the degenerate nature of their mentality, but do also see why they would have accepted the pause. If there's a remote possibility of getting what we want without further operations then it's the State's responsibility to give it a cautious shot.

The conditions will probably be laid out during the negotiations that Pakistan hopes will follow this pause. If we get what we want while allowing them to act big domestically then no problem. Just like in India, the people of actual concern in Afghanistan also know exactly what we have done to them.

The leadership in Afghanistan understand the consequences

They understand they are isolated
They don't have much finance and resources
They have limited equipment
And they have to run a nation and can't afford for Pakistan to close the border


At this moment in time, the cost of keeping the TTP and BLA has become too great for Afghanistan

It's just up to them to be smart enough to understand this



The general Afghan foot soldier is barely above a monkey and doesn't generally matter,but they could unilaterally try to attack Pakistan without TTA support as TTA currently has very limited control over all this commanders and groups

 

[krash]

@Aggregate sb

That was a very different brass made up of Imran Khan/ Bajwa /Faiz Hameed

Actually, I wasn't referring to the Pak top brass at all! I was referring to my PDF friends here (who were then on the old PDF) who were cheering the victory of the "Kandhari gang" and making fun of us Indians.

You may want to login to the old PDF forum and check the comments of the Pak members there.

Regards

The sensible ones were cheering India and USA's ouster from Afghanistan. And we stand by it.

Can't answer for the "naive" who saw/see the Taliban to be acceptable human beings. I don't believe the Pakistani establishment had any confusions about it, they had to pick their poison.

 

[NA71]

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[muz]

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If this is true ISI CTD IB MI must keep strict vigilance

 

[Broghil]

No idea what that is.

Well this was used as a new policy in Tom Clancy novels that those ordering the attacks like military high command or political Govt heads would be considered legitimate targets and will be actively targeted and eliminated.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@krash sb

The sensible ones were cheering India and USA's ouster from Afghanistan. And we stand by it.

But now I see many Pakistani members rooting for US getting Bagram back!

Regards