Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[hasssanali8998]

possibly participating

they are soo much evidence , like why is Mehsud in a Taliban safe house

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

the fact that they retaliated today tells me we did kill Mehsud , or else it would have been nothing like few weeks ago when we attacked them with drones

we did reliable afghan osints and their own news networks like Amu confirmed it

 

[Distant_Observer]

Theory: Our army has been quiert abt the afghan op because there could be more airstrikes tonight or drone strikes

That's what I gathered too, OPs are ongoing.

 

[hasssanali8998]

That's what I gathered too, OPs are ongoing.

yeah the drones were still there in the morning

 

[Owaiz]

If it foils any Indian plans that is a bonus, but right now troops are being killed everyday and these Talibs are complicit, possibly participating

Let us be realistic. It may have been seen as a military necessity, but let us not pretend it is some strategic masterstroke against India. It is a victory for RAW if the situation reached a state where Pakistan was left with no option but to carry out airstrikes in Kabul.

 

[aurelianpilled]

we did reliable afghan osints and their own news networks like Amu confirmed it

I think the Amu TV is anti-Taliban/its allies so take that news with a pinch of salt
They did claim that he was 'killed' - Sources: TTP leader killed in Kabul (Amu TV)

Another Amu TV report claiming the death of a 'senior TTP commander'

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

All those asking what we have gained in x term or y term - go look the parents of the martyrs in the face and say that.

Those are valid questions- it isn’t enough to just say that we killed X to avenge Y, we also have to care as much, if not more, about how to prevent future attacks and that is what most people asking about ‘what comes next’ are alluding to.

Take for example Hamas and Israel - the Israelis have gone mad and are essentially carpet bombing an entire occupied people to eliminate Hamas, have taken out most of Hamas leadership and Hamas continues to exist. Pakistan can’t (and shouldn’t) do what Israel has done, so while I understand the emotions behind exacting revenge, don’t let those emotions cloud your judgement to the point where you’re dismissing reasonable and justified concerns over long term strategy.

 

[Yasser76]

Let us be realistic. It may have been seen as a military necessity, but let us not pretend it is some strategic masterstroke against India. It is a victory for RAW if the situation reached a state where Pakistan was left with no option but to carry out airstrikes in Kabul.

O would argue RAW is already having a victory support TTP/BLA and killing our troops.

When did I say this was a masterstroke against India?

 

[Watandar]

Exactly this. If Israel can do this to Iran and Hezballah Pak should be able to with Talibs

Do you have unlimited supply of American weapons, money, intelligence and diplomatic protection ? Otherwise Israel cannot do much.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Those are valid questions- it isn’t enough to just say that we killed X to avenge Y, we also have to care as much, if bot more, on how to prevent future attacks and that is what most people asking about ‘what comes next’ are alluding to.

Take for example Hamas and Israel - the Israelis have gone mad and are essentially carpet bombing an entire occupied people to eliminate Hamas, have taken out most of Hamas leadership and Hamas continues to exist. Pakistan can’t (and shouldn’t) do what Israel has done, so while I understand the emotions behind exacting revenge, don’t ket those emotions cloud your judgement to the point where you’re dismissing reasonable and justified concerns over long term strategy.

Israel also destroyed Iranian proxies in Lebanon and Syria. Iran had surrounded them. India and taliban proxies operate in a similar way.

Remember Solemani was India's man. Him and Doval share similar strategies. India has always been part of this pariah rogue state nexus that uses cross border state terrorism as a tactic.

A military threat always requires a military solution. Like any organisation, disrupt its decision making and supply, it will soon crumble.

The question is, does Pakistan have the will to defeat them? How badly do they want to become a strong economic power that can bring peace and prosperity to its people?

20 years have already been wasted.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Keep bombing them. Close Kabul airport down. Show them strength niw, we spent too much time on words.

They seem to have mistaken their prowess at Guerilla warfare for being a power. No need to use troops, use the entire country as a testing ground as far as I am concerned.

Close goods trade, declare No Fly Zone over their entire country.

See how quickly they will kneel.

Reminds of the Pied Piper of Hamilon, a very famous story for the kids with tons of lessons. The Pak Deep State helped them to get into the power. It can bring them down too.....

 

[Watandar]

Israel also destroyed Iranian proxies in Lebanon and Syria. Iran had surrounded them. India and taliban proxies operate in a similar way.

Remember Solemani was India's man. Him and Doval share similar strategies. India has always been part of this pariah rogue state nexus that uses cross border state terrorism as a tactic.

A military threat always requires a military solution. Like any organisation, disrupt its decision making and supply, it will soon crumble.

The question is, does Pakistan have the will to defeat them? How badly do they want to become a strong economic power that can bring peace and prosperity to its people?

20 years have already been wasted.

Actually 50 years have been wasted supporting one proxy after another in Afghanistan , all in pursuit of strategic depth. Perhaps military means is not the answer ?

 

[Saifullah]

Exactly this. If Israel can do this to Iran and Hezballah Pak should be able to with Talibs

Yes it’s a must now.
Afghan based terrorists from different groups will probably start a wave of attacks all over Pakistan now.
The only way to prevent this to a large extent is eliminate Taliban and other terrorists leadership and make them fight each other. Make them fight insurgents in their own territory. Break their coordination and communication with each other. The try to play Islam card and get support from religious elements all over the region. Time to do the same to them.
Even Al Qaeda started doubting many current Taliban ministers for their games and for abandoning the policies of Taliban 1.0. It’s said Zawhiri himself was sold out by Siraj Haqqani. Extreme hardliners like Mullah Dadullah were sold out by Taliban to Americans. And by Taliban scholars own logic if they side with the kuffar they’ll become murtad. And to the same hardline scholars Taliban or AQ followed, khawarij are still Muslims even tho they are to be fought with so allying with kuffar against them is still takfirable according to their own scholars, basically proving Daesh talking points against them.
Not that I support any of those groups or their scholars extreme ideologies.

But if they play religion card and make the masses stupid then Pakistan should do the same with covert assets and exposes these munafiqs for what they are. Make them takfir themselves and fight among themselves. It’ll destroy any support or goodwill they have with ignorant religious ppl in the region as well once they see all of them fighting among themselves.

 

[Agnostic Muslim]

Israel also destroyed Iranian proxies in Lebanon and Syria. Iran had surrounded them. India and taliban proxies operate in a similar way.

Remember Solemani was India's man. Him and Doval share similar strategies. India has always been part of this pariah rogue state nexus that uses cross border state terrorism as a tactic.

A military threat always requires a military solution. Like any organisation, disrupt its decision making and supply, it will soon crumble.

The question is, does Pakistan have the will to defeat them? How badly do they want to become a strong economic power that can bring peace and prosperity to its people?

20 years have already been wasted.

Hezbollah exists, Hamas exists, and again, Pakistan can’t use the same approach as Israel of bombing without concern for civilian casualties. The Israelis have also essentially walled off their territory (easier to do with their geography and size), which is not feasible for Pakistan.

This is not a conventional war, its COIN, and while attacks such as these help, its not going to end the TTP or Baloch insurgencies without sustained, non-kinetic measures.

Again, since people seem to have trouble understanding what we mean when we caution about the future - not arguing against the strikes, merely pointing out that kinetic strikes alone aren’t enough in the long term.

 

[Owaiz]

O would argue RAW is already having a victory support TTP/BLA and killing our troops.

If Kabul has indeed been struck, RAW now has the Afghan Taliban as a new direct proxy.

When did I say this was a masterstroke against India?

You didnt. I was responding to those who said this would hurt India very badly.