Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Broghil]

As far as I have read opinions on internet and some other forums, major concern in Pashtuns about this conflict is not that we are one country or we should allow afghans to do whatever they want or KPK or fata should join Afghanistan. But the major thing is anti establishment factor which says that this is being done due to US pressure to get back Bagram Airbase. And we are being used..... Why they allowed TTP to resettle in these areas..... This is all a game etc etc etc.

 

[PakistanLVR]

@r3alist @Master Chief

I'm going to add something which will undoubtedly get the ethnology-supremacists incredibly. I can tell just by reading the comments - there is a strong under-current of hatred towards Pashtuns in KPK masked by using vulgar language against the Afghans. I have no love loss for the Afghans. I have personally dealt with their behavior in three separate continents.

This has come down to Muslims vs MINOs. I've shy away from using these terms but it has come to do that. KPK and Afghanistan are conservative and more in line with Islamic values than Lahore, Islamabad, and Karachi. The MINOs ruling Pakistan think that by assigning these terrorists cute-sy Islamic names as Kwarjites or whatnot - that the PR battle is won. The truth is - many Pakistanis who are still practicing Islamic values across the four provinces - I can see why they would provide support to the TTA and TTP ideology.

The state uses Islam like a tissue paper whenever it needs to suppress people or to support foreign initiatives that negatively impacts Muslims across the wider MENA.

Non-KPK areas of Pakistan are utter trash socially and culturally. The cities of Pakistan are infested by liberal western ideologies pushed by "Elite" US universities - who we now safely confirmed are J*w led which pushed BLM, Open borders, LGBTs, Promsciouslity under the guise of "freedom." But actually it was to mentally subjugate black and browns Global South. Pakistan is in fact just as wrapped up in all of this as the others many here make fun of.
Nudity, drinking, LGBT, Zionist-Christians are running amok freely across Punjab.

If you give two choices to the people of Pakistan - either have a rule under TTA/TTP or the regime that was left behind in 1947 - who do you think they will support? I could literally see the current regime just as easily siding with their Hindu cousins next door against Muslims and Pakistanis who would want a Sharia compliance country - which its not at all at this time.

I traveled to Gilgit and many Non-northerner Pakistanis dressed provocautely. The people of Gilgit are noble and upright. Too respectful and honorably to beat the living lights of the beta males that often bring these girls to the northern areas (on long-getaway weekend). Many northerners complaint about this but they can't do anything about it which leds me to believe the state of Pakistan is deliberately is pushing this lifestyles across Pakistan. On some level, I have to applause the people of KPK for standing up for their ideals and values. This is a bigger issue than just TTA or TTP.

In short - the deislamization of Pakistan is in full swing. I am not asking to become Iran or Afghanistan - but what you have is a half-a**ed attempt at both Islam and Western values. The state knows its Islamic credentials are dog-sh*t and hence the TTA is taking full advantage of it. The attacks on Pakistan are directly tied to the current system and its incompetency and inability protect the people of Pakistan. I am still waiting for 2,000lbs air strikes on Indians....

 

[gamaji]

Map of Greater Afghanistan looks like a lota.

The Greater Afghanistan is just an imaginary entity that never existed and will never exist in reality. It was never supported by Pakistani Pashtuns, who opted to join Pakistan through a referendum without any outside interference or coercion.

As a respected Pakistani Pashtun commentator has mentioned, the Durand line was never a real issue. It was first instigated by Nehru in 1946-47 and raised by only the Afghanistani Pashtuns who cannot digest a relatively peaceful life and progress/development in Pakistani Pashtun province.

 

[kubotabx23]

The truth is - many Pakistanis who are still practicing Islamic values across the four provinces - I can see why they would provide support to the TTA and TTP ideology.

Yeah, because Islam teaches you to slaughter hundreds of kids, kill civilians in public centers, reek havoc and incivility in public places, as well as desecrate human remains of your enemies.

 

[Aggregate]

Sir Kindly replace word Pindi either with Pakistan or Punjab.

I still believe that that the institute who built this whole system post 2017, will be also able enough, to break it all off before its too late, especially given that they seem committed to resolving the whole Afghan meddling in Pakistan from here on.

Realizing the mistake in 2022 was the first step. Army Chief who was committed to repairing this blunder , was the 2nd step. What is going on now, including Afghan war, is the final unravelling, expulsion of Illegal Afghans and all else is more or less a part of the last remaining steps. Its becoming more and more clear now based on the actions from each side.

"People Power" does not matter as much as everyone believes so. One has to look at Punjab to see how people get busy with daily lives. Once the system is broken up, everyone will be busy and back to jobs, businesses, etc in a short while, despite all the hype.

 

[gamaji]

It's not a matter of appeasing anyone, simply a matter of doing what's best for yourself, through the best possible means. Everyone can have a different approach to the same solution. Heck, even faujis themselves have different approaches.

The Afghans do not recognize the Durand line? Alright, to hell with them then. We have the military advantage right now, realize that advantage and be decisive about it.

But now it seems har banday ka chacha taya is mamlay main agaya hai including Turkey. Taliban are getting Qatar to change their statements...so would be interesting how we play it now. Reportedly IEA was presented two options, kill them with us, or let us kill them. Don't see them accepting either soon.

It isn't about Imran Khan anymore.

I generally agree with what you have said in this post. But I would like to mention that 'Taliban are getting Qatar to change their statements' is simply not true. The original statement is still displayed on Qatar Foreign Affairs ministry's X timeline. Also, IK is irrelevant to this issue as he ever was after he was kicked out of power through a vote of no-confidence in the national assembly.

 

[krash]

@r3alist @Master Chief

I'm going to add something which will undoubtedly get the ethnology-supremacists incredibly. I can tell just by reading the comments - there is a strong under-current of hatred towards Pashtuns in KPK masked by using vulgar language against the Afghans. I have no love loss for the Afghans. I have personally dealt with their behavior in three separate continents.

This has come down to Muslims vs MINOs. I've shy away from using these terms but it has come to do that. KPK and Afghanistan are conservative and more in line with Islamic values than Lahore, Islamabad, and Karachi. The MINOs ruling Pakistan think that by assigning these terrorists cute-sy Islamic names as Kwarjites or whatnot - that the PR battle is won. The truth is - many Pakistanis who are still practicing Islamic values across the four provinces - I can see why they would provide support to the TTA and TTP ideology.

The state uses Islam like a tissue paper whenever it needs to suppress people or to support foreign initiatives that negatively impacts Muslims across the wider MENA.

Non-KPK areas of Pakistan are utter trash socially and culturally. The cities of Pakistan are infested by liberal western ideologies pushed by "Elite" US universities - who we now safely confirmed are J*w led which pushed BLM, Open borders, LGBTs, Promsciouslity under the guise of "freedom." But actually it was to mentally subjugate black and browns Global South. Pakistan is in fact just as wrapped up in all of this as the others many here make fun of.
Nudity, drinking, LGBT, Zionist-Christians are running amok freely across Punjab.

If you give two choices to the people of Pakistan - either have a rule under TTA/TTP or the regime that was left behind in 1947 - who do you think they will support? I could literally see the current regime just as easily siding with their Hindu cousins next door against Muslims and Pakistanis who would want a Sharia compliance country - which its not at all at this time.

I traveled to Gilgit and many Non-northerner Pakistanis dressed provocautely. The people of Gilgit are noble and upright. Too respectful and honorably to beat the living lights of the beta males that often bring these girls to the northern areas (on long-getaway weekend). Many northerners complaint about this but they can't do anything about it which leds me to believe the state of Pakistan is deliberately is pushing this lifestyles across Pakistan. On some level, I have to applause the people of KPK for standing up for their ideals and values. This is a bigger issue than just TTA or TTP.

In short - the deislamization of Pakistan is in full swing. I am not asking to become Iran or Afghanistan - but what you have is a half-a**ed attempt at both Islam and Western values. The state knows its Islamic credentials are dog-sh*t and hence the TTA is taking full advantage of it. The attacks on Pakistan are directly tied to the current system and its incompetency and inability protect the people of Pakistan. I am still waiting for 2,000lbs air strikes on Indians....

Neem hakeem, khatra-e-jaan. Neem Mufti, azab-e-Pakistan.

Throw a couple of western passports on the ground and let's see where your argument and these supposed "Islamic values" stand in any part of the country.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

@r3alist @Master Chief

I'm going to add something which will undoubtedly get the ethnology-supremacists incredibly. I can tell just by reading the comments - there is a strong under-current of hatred towards Pashtuns in KPK masked by using vulgar language against the Afghans. I have no love loss for the Afghans. I have personally dealt with their behavior in three separate continents.

This has come down to Muslims vs MINOs. I've shy away from using these terms but it has come to do that. KPK and Afghanistan are conservative and more in line with Islamic values than Lahore, Islamabad, and Karachi. The MINOs ruling Pakistan think that by assigning these terrorists cute-sy Islamic names as Kwarjites or whatnot - that the PR battle is won. The truth is - many Pakistanis who are still practicing Islamic values across the four provinces - I can see why they would provide support to the TTA and TTP ideology.

The state uses Islam like a tissue paper whenever it needs to suppress people or to support foreign initiatives that negatively impacts Muslims across the wider MENA.

Non-KPK areas of Pakistan are utter trash socially and culturally. The cities of Pakistan are infested by liberal western ideologies pushed by "Elite" US universities - who we now safely confirmed are J*w led which pushed BLM, Open borders, LGBTs, Promsciouslity under the guise of "freedom." But actually it was to mentally subjugate black and browns Global South. Pakistan is in fact just as wrapped up in all of this as the others many here make fun of.
Nudity, drinking, LGBT, Zionist-Christians are running amok freely across Punjab.

If you give two choices to the people of Pakistan - either have a rule under TTA/TTP or the regime that was left behind in 1947 - who do you think they will support? I could literally see the current regime just as easily siding with their Hindu cousins next door against Muslims and Pakistanis who would want a Sharia compliance country - which its not at all at this time.

I traveled to Gilgit and many Non-northerner Pakistanis dressed provocautely. The people of Gilgit are noble and upright. Too respectful and honorably to beat the living lights of the beta males that often bring these girls to the northern areas (on long-getaway weekend). Many northerners complaint about this but they can't do anything about it which leds me to believe the state of Pakistan is deliberately is pushing this lifestyles across Pakistan. On some level, I have to applause the people of KPK for standing up for their ideals and values. This is a bigger issue than just TTA or TTP.

In short - the deislamization of Pakistan is in full swing. I am not asking to become Iran or Afghanistan - but what you have is a half-a**ed attempt at both Islam and Western values. The state knows its Islamic credentials are dog-sh*t and hence the TTA is taking full advantage of it. The attacks on Pakistan are directly tied to the current system and its incompetency and inability protect the people of Pakistan. I am still waiting for 2,000lbs air strikes on Indians....

In your mind you think you are making a comparison between religiosity but you aren't.

You are making a comparison between rural areas and urban areas. Urban areas across the world in every Muslim state are more liberal and that's not because of ideology but due to structure. Genders mix more in urban areas, people become more independent hence less outside control, meaning <freedom>, which leads to everything you described.

Do you know what the students and people of KPK get upto once they are raised in urban areas? Forget that, do you see what Muslims get upto raised in the West? It's inevitable. Some are just better at keeping it hidden. Others just speak about it more. If you could speak Persian Iran is exactly like Lahore socially.

Do you think the culture of rural Turkey and Istanbul is the same? Do you think the culture of Kabul and Kandahar is the same? Do you think the social culture of some village in Punjab is the same as Lahore?

A lot of religious and social ideology folk culture warriors have to understand urbanism and economic structure produces behaviour more than even ideology does.

 

[Silent_fighter]

They control the popular sentiment through KP parties

@r3alist @Master Chief

I'm going to add something which will undoubtedly get the ethnology-supremacists incredibly. I can tell just by reading the comments - there is a strong under-current of hatred towards Pashtuns in KPK masked by using vulgar language against the Afghans. I have no love loss for the Afghans. I have personally dealt with their behavior in three separate continents.

This has come down to Muslims vs MINOs. I've shy away from using these terms but it has come to do that. KPK and Afghanistan are conservative and more in line with Islamic values than Lahore, Islamabad, and Karachi. The MINOs ruling Pakistan think that by assigning these terrorists cute-sy Islamic names as Kwarjites or whatnot - that the PR battle is won. The truth is - many Pakistanis who are still practicing Islamic values across the four provinces - I can see why they would provide support to the TTA and TTP ideology.

The state uses Islam like a tissue paper whenever it needs to suppress people or to support foreign initiatives that negatively impacts Muslims across the wider MENA.

Non-KPK areas of Pakistan are utter trash socially and culturally. The cities of Pakistan are infested by liberal western ideologies pushed by "Elite" US universities - who we now safely confirmed are J*w led which pushed BLM, Open borders, LGBTs, Promsciouslity under the guise of "freedom." But actually it was to mentally subjugate black and browns Global South. Pakistan is in fact just as wrapped up in all of this as the others many here make fun of.
Nudity, drinking, LGBT, Zionist-Christians are running amok freely across Punjab.

If you give two choices to the people of Pakistan - either have a rule under TTA/TTP or the regime that was left behind in 1947 - who do you think they will support? I could literally see the current regime just as easily siding with their Hindu cousins next door against Muslims and Pakistanis who would want a Sharia compliance country - which its not at all at this time.

I traveled to Gilgit and many Non-northerner Pakistanis dressed provocautely. The people of Gilgit are noble and upright. Too respectful and honorably to beat the living lights of the beta males that often bring these girls to the northern areas (on long-getaway weekend). Many northerners complaint about this but they can't do anything about it which leds me to believe the state of Pakistan is deliberately is pushing this lifestyles across Pakistan. On some level, I have to applause the people of KPK for standing up for their ideals and values. This is a bigger issue than just TTA or TTP.

In short - the deislamization of Pakistan is in full swing. I am not asking to become Iran or Afghanistan - but what you have is a half-a**ed attempt at both Islam and Western values. The state knows its Islamic credentials are dog-sh*t and hence the TTA is taking full advantage of it. The attacks on Pakistan are directly tied to the current system and its incompetency and inability protect the people of Pakistan. I am still waiting for 2,000lbs air strikes on Indians....

TTP and TTA claim on Pashtun area not Punjab and whole Pakistan is sacrificing day and night for your protection, if any sikh from India make any claim on Pakistan punjab territory the all punjabi nation will bash him day and night but where are your so called honour when someone from Afghanistan openly claim on your homeland and you stay silent. As much anger you are showing against your fellow pakistani if half of this anger you have shown to Afghani then their Durand line and attack bridge dream would have dead long time ago ( main reason of pak afghan conflict). You yourself seem an ethno nationalist. When our army officers and soldiers are being massacred by FATA people with collaboration with TTP then what someone in anger should call these caveman? Should we call them Punjabi from Lahore or sindhi from sindh attacking pakistan military? When your People kill army soldiers and laugh and say army is killing their own people and when army in retaliation kill terrorist your people say army is killing innocent Pashtun? Why there is no issue in charsadda, battgram , peshawar etc? Cuz they dont facilitate terrorist. You expect people dont say a word against afghan or their facilitator in fata while they kill our people on daily bases? your long time attitude of keeping blind eyes on your kin-men is awaking other nationalistic movement in other provinces and dont talk about islam we all know how much Islam you follow.
May be from now for your appeasement we should use term like “ all terrorist activities against military personal are happening in Lahore, Karachi and Multan”
All TTP members belong to Punjabi, sindhi, gilgiti and kashmiri background. Noor wali mehsod and mullah Fazlullah belong to rajput and Jat tribe. Or you can suggest us any name what should we call to these afghani terrorist ?

 

[Rational Philosopher]

In your mind you think you are making a comparison between religiosity but you aren't.

You are making a comparison between rural areas and urban areas. Urban areas across the world in every Muslim state are more liberal and that's not because of ideology but due to structure. Genders mix more in urban areas, people become more independent hence less outside control, meaning <freedom>, which leads to everything you described.

Do you know what the students and people of KPK get upto once they are raised in urban areas? Forget that, do you see what Muslims get upto raised in the West? It's inevitable. Some are just better at keeping it hidden. Others just speak about it more. If you could speak Persian Iran is exactly like Lahore socially.

Do you think the culture of rural Turkey and Istanbul is the same? Do you think the culture of Kabul and Kandahar is the same? Do you think the social culture of some village in Punjab is the same as Lahore?

A lot of religious and social ideology folk culture warriors have to understand urbanism and economic structure produces behaviour more than even ideology does.

Another thing I would like to add up onto this – any state in the world will do everything within its capacity to protect its sovereignty & territorial integrity. It doesn't matter whether the enemy is a faction of their own religion or blood. Sometimes its a Hindu, sometimes it's a Muslim.

You're downplaying the TTPs motives from being an Afghan territorial proxy to the lazy claim that they simply want Shariah when that's simply not the case. It is at its roots an ethnic movement otherwise it would have reach beyond just ex-FATA and tribal areas.

Any group that arose challenging Pakistan's territorial integrity, even if it was a gay secular homosexual movement would get the same treatment, do you want an example? The communist BLA.

So you are wrong on both accounts.

TTP is not a social culture movement, it's a political and territorial movement. And the difference you described isn't religious but urbanism.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Animals will focus on wording on a piece of paper.

Humans will focus on the bombing of Kabul, kandahar and the numerous other SHIT-HOLES across the border.

This is just the beginning. More will come. Get your dress ready.

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Where is Habibi?

I thought Habibi said "an attack on Pakistan is an attack on us"?

 

[samsite84]

On a few recent posts:

First and foremost, followers of Islam particularly in nations where population and govt. cling on "Islamic" values or "Islamic" laws as basis of their actions should first start practicing Islam in spirit (and in hearts and homes). I have seen such degraded level of virtue signaling, calling people who you don't agree with Khwarij or non-believers that the most upright followers and founders of faith will be ashamed.

Not sure why general people believe that all the wisdom of humanity, all the solution of their problems is in one place. God made us so different from each other, how will he/she/it expect us to have only one way for us to reach him/her/it.

On the broader topic of Pak vs. Afg - tricky situation for both countries. Afg depends on Pakistan 100% and yet understands its nuisance value. Pakistan for all its military might is hamstrung by economy to do anything substantial to Afg (which will have long-term results in degrading TTP/terrorism). Can Pakistan start by de-weaponizing its territories in KPK/Balochistan? If not, any other solution (eco dev, education, changing hearts and minds) will take a long time.

 

[Silent_fighter]

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[Maarkhoor]

I talk to to a serving brigadier level officer who served at Afghan front told me there is no solution for Afghan problem but you can contain these US created biological weapons which were existed even before but US sharpen them but only we can contain them by killing their leadership constantly and depriving them food and basic things only that action can tame them....and we have means to do that.

The Afghan always bite the hands who feed them so learn from history and treat then like animals from hell whole name Afghanistan a stray puppy of qoum e loot.

Once my dog a Bakarwall alcisian went crazy my grand mother told me tie him with water pipeline and don't feed him for 3 days i acted and did the same thing after he became sober. "Pukh peer eyy vigdyaan tigdiyaan di".

Regards,

@RescueRanger @Panzerkiel

 

[Rational Philosopher]

I talk to to a serving brigadier level officer who served at Afghan front told me there is no solution for Afghan problem but you can contain these US created biological weapons which were existed even before but US sharpen them but only we can contain them by killing their leadership constantly and depriving them food and basic things only that action can tame them....and we have means to do that.

The Afghan always bite the hands who feed them so learn from history and treat then like animals from hell whole name Afghanistan a stray puppy of qoum e loot.

Once my dog a Bakarwall alcisian went crazy my grand mother told me tie him with water pipeline and don't feed him for 3 days i acted and did the same thing after he became sober. "Pukh peer eyy vigdyaan tigdiyaan di".

Regards,

@RescueRanger @Panzerkiel

How Turkey fights PKK is the solution

GHQ should have a mandatory course studying this history, the specific kind on insurgency and counters. Its a critical part of national security for Pakistan.