Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[hasssanali8998]

Ethnic lines lmao. PTI gets vote across the board. They sweeped the last elections not just KP.

It's not like PMLN or PPP that is only popular in one province. Imran Khan pulls crowds in any province. That is why the establishment originally backed him.

yes we get it your supreme leader is the greatest leader

 

[hasssanali8998]

BS. Both Turkish and Qatari mediators reportedly got disappointed several times by the illogical and foolish behavior of Talibani goons, who reportedly agreed to the draft several times only to backout after calling someone in Kabul/Kandahar.

yeah and now they cant say anything to Pakistan , as Pakistan showed how they are to deal with

 

[PK781]

@Mods

Time to cleanup the thread from offtopic political posts, again!

 

[gamaji]

Poor choice of words. We werent bribing anyone. We were literally paying the dogs of hell rent so they keep their fellow dogs of hell away from us.

This was a show of weakness from our side.

Not a show of weakness, I would say. The best option is always to resolve a problem amicably through negotiations. If it fails, then harsher options are utilized. Apparently Chinese link didn't work well with ignorant Talibani dogs as is the case with Turkish and Qatari links.

Taliban's stupidity can be gauged by the fact that they preferred getting bombed, Afghanistan destroyed, and ten/hundreds of thousands Afghanis killed over handing a terrorist OBL over to a third neutral country. The illegitimate regime of these ignorant goons cannot care less about the well being of Afghan people.

I think the best option for Pakistan would be to gradually and systematically take out TTA leadership after every terrorist attack in Pakistan. These terrorists should see no option other than either running to the caves or getting laid into the graves. At the same time, support to the rival Afghan factions.

After some time, the illegitimate Taliban regime will be weak enough to be toppled from Kabul. With no option of refuge in Pakistan, the rest will be done by the people of Afghanistan/new rulers in Kabul. They will eliminate these Modi's dogs completely.

 

[gamaji]

yes not having a CM and party that uses ethnicity politics will help

While in power, prefered dummy CM's who can act as frontmen for Bushra/Gogi gang of mega corruption. And when in jail, prefered stupid CM's who can challenge the establishment and the writ of state. That's what only a Zionist mole can do in Pakistan.

In any other state, such an internal enemy would have been packed to the hell long ago.

 

[krash]

That's not a good comparison. The Americans were an occupying force.

In Pakistan's case, all it needs to do is arm one side enough to able to push the taliban out of the traditional northern heartland.

No occupation, no mess.

There's also the fact that Pakistan isn't interested in national building in Afghanistan. Let the northerners do it themselves, and they can fund it through trade with Pakistan, or transit fees they'll get by letting Pakistani trucks flow to central Asia.

On the contrary, that's a handicap for us, vis a vis incubating any meaningful internal challengers to the TTA. America's occupation allowed them to freely arm, train, protect, and support anti-Taliban factions. The nation-building was to enable them to sustain the resistance after the US draw down. All of it failed. Pakistan has known this since before WOT and advised the Americans against it as well. We don't have a fraction of their means.

Our MO will be punitive strikes and economic pressure for every transgression while cultivating internal discord and then hooks within the TTA leadership.

PS: All our routes to Afghanistan are into TTA/Pushtun regions.

U dont need to sustain... make every terrorist strike in Pakistan. Let Afghanistan pay it multiply by 10. This way the cost is too high for them to sustain

I was speaking with regards to the idea of Afghanistan's balkanization.

Well the PMLN is doing the same in Punjab terming all Pakistani Pashtuns as Afghans and they have invented new slure for them "Afghandu"

C'mon, buddy. Back it up.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Well the PMLN is doing the same in Punjab terming all Pakistani Pashtuns as Afghans and they have invented new slure for them "Afghandu"

if the word afgandu hurts you as a Pakistani Pashtun then you my friend have wrong sympathies

 

[krash]

An army that rules from the shadows in cahoots with a clown federal govt (including the grifter in the video you attached). Yes, fighting them is must.

Yup, must fight them while we talk peace with those who continue to kill our children everyday. Obviously.

What's illegal in it? If it's wrong pass a bill against it. Establishment has the federal and judiciary, no?

Mostly has to do with the obvious sense of collective self-interest not overshadowed by the compulsion to service corrupt politicians.

 

[Oscar]

"State" is not what it's being morphed into, rather hijacked. Constitution of Pakistan clearly define what state means, and that is the bottom line. Current so called "state" is imposter, it should have never been allowed to grow into the monster it has become. And those who are striving to resurrect the true state, as defined under the constitution of Pakistan, those are the real patriots.

Everyone is a patriot when it comes to find reasons to be right.
If the current state is an imposter and intolerable then there would be pandemonium in the streets. Clearly that is not the case.
There is ethnonationalist strife in areas away from the capital and major urban centers in two provinces. Which means just "injustice" by the state against a political party or injustice by the current leadership to the constitution has not been a factor to unite people to continue even after oppression.

Only ethnic divisions seem to work which means that the majority of the population does not care for the state of Pakistan and instead care for change to their circumstance.
Impetus of the change depends upon the region you belong to.

 

[Oscar]

If talks have failed then India will go for sindor 2, a two front against Pak.
Both TTA and Ajit Doval have a chemistry.
A big question? Why China wasn't part of talks?

Pakistan must do precise strikes if any cross border TTP.
In the meanwhile all in PA who trained, provided shelter and logistics to TTA From 2001 to 2021 should be tried under civilian law.

Army chiefs:
General Pervez Musharraf 1998–2007
General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani 2007–2013
General Raheel Sharif 2013–2016
General Qamar Javed Bajwa 2016–2022

ISI Chiefs:
• Mahmud Ahmed October 20, 1999–October 7 2001
• General Ehsan ul Haq October 7, 2001–October 5, 2004
• Ashfaq Parvez Kayani October 5, 2004–October 8 2007
• Nadeem Taj October 9, 2007–September 29, 2008
• Shuja Pasha October 1, 2008–March 18, 2012
• Zaheerul Islam March 19, 2012–November 7, 2014
• Rizwan Akhtar November 7, 2014–December 11, 2016
• Naveed Mukhtar December 11, 2016–October 25, 2018
• Asim Munir October 25, 2018–June 16, 2019
• Faiz Hameed June 17, 2019–November 19, 2021

Please go further back - you need to realize the support goes well into the late 80s. And includes political parties including your dear leader as well as Sharifiabad.
Everyone wanted to hug it out with these people - and make money from the smuggling business(to IK's credit he never engaged in that).

 

[Toxic]

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Its actually true, PTI candidates were leading by large margins in many districts just for people to wake up to pmLUN candidates somehow gaining impossible leads in the morning.

 

[Oscar]

And the Afghan sympathizers within Pakistani public, what about them ?

Maybe they will heed Iqbal now?
یوں تو سید بھی ہو مرزا بھی ہو افغان بھی ہو تم بھی کچھ ہو بتاؤ تو مسلمان بھی ہو

 

[Oscar]

The relatives (through marriages) on both sides, then the tradesmen/business men who conduct business daily, the smuggling mafia, and lastly comes politics.

This was official policy and promoted. First person witness back in 99 to a number 3 in agency sitting across explaining what they are doing in Afg. Still remember it even from that young age.

You cannot just end these relationships.

 

[Oscar]

Its actually true, PTI candidates were leading by large margins in many districts just for people to wake up to pmLUN candidates somehow gaining impossible leads in the morning.

Fatima Jinnah was winning against Ayub as well until magical votes appeared.
Pakistan has a history of Chuff Chuff "unnatural" events happening.

 

[Olympus81]

Lets just call spade a spade.

There are a sizeable number of Pakistanis sympathetic to Taliban and TTP.

Some byproduct of madrassahs emphasizing on Takfiri ideology and the state policy towards propping up the Taliban. This has been going on for decades. It’s futile to blame the politicians as they had very little say.

And now with a brazen attack on our soldiers and a presser by DG ISPR we expect a complete u-turn in an instant. Quite perplexing.

I am not against attacks against TTA/TTP. The Pakistani army should go after them and their hideouts to the full extent.

But the narrative building and blame on politicians is nonsensical.