Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[PK781]

-Refuse and Revoke all visas
-Order them all to leave Pakistani soil ASAP
-Close our embassy/consulates there.....makes no sense why we have to be there in such a hostile country
-Shut the borders permanently. **** the trucks that r in the way, let them rot.
-No transit trade for those talib dogfuckers at all.
-Ban and refuse them any flights over Pak airspace, close it for them just like we are doing it for indian airliners/aircrafts
-Time to officially label Afg and India as terrorist states!!

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[omegalamba7xl9]

What you need to think is the advantages Pakistan has and how can that lead to a long term solution so events like this dont repeat in future ?

Pakistan has technology, a variety of weapon arsenal as well as a sizeable field Army and a fair enough budget. How can that give advantage to Pakistan over Taliban who can run into mountains for next 20 Years (as seen during ISAF tenure) and then come back and take over the country.

Pakistan can bomb the hell out of them, push their infrastructure back a few more years, but what is vital for Taliban which could actually hurt them in the long run ? PAF can send 1000 sorties per day and create rubble after rubble, but are we playing a game of numbers, like Pakistan kills 500 TTA/TTP while Taliban kill 100 Pakistan soldeirs so does Pakistan win ? Vietnam war proves otherwise. VC had tunnels, Taliban have caves.

Whats the long term effective and practical solution ? No a day dream wish. And what are the steps to reach that solution?

Few differences...
1. Soviets and US were invaders so time and distance was not on their side also goes on to prove that Pakistan could've done nothing in Bangladesh.
2. Pakistan have time and time again put leash on Afghan leaders whether TALIB or not.
3. Pakistan will be fighting a war of survival against TALIB ideology with support of many factions within Afghanistan.. easy to support them thru Pakistan that means TALIBS can be crushed from both north and east pushing them further
4. There is no further use of them in long term since there will be no invasion of Afghanistan by outsiders at least for another decade unless PLA changes its mind...
5. Entire world hates These TALIBS except middle east and fortunately time is on our side .. Arabs need us more than they need TALIBS...
6. The most Important " ITS WRITTEN ON THE WALL THAT THEY WILL PLAY IN THE HANDS OF ENEMIES OF PAKISTAN AND NOTHING GOOD WILL COME OUT OF IT AT ALL. NOT IN STRATEGIC VALUE, NOR SOCIAL VALUE...
THERE IS NOTHING TALIBS OFFER TO OUR SOCIETY IN PAKISTAN EXCEPT
BRAINWASHING YOUTH
CREATING FITNA
CREATING DIVIDE ON ETHNIC LINES
PLAY INTO THE HANDS OF POLITICIANS WHO ARE ANTI PAKISTAN.

 

[hasssanali8998]

1- Afghan hasn't had a centralized government since the cold war era, so that's kinda irrelevant.
2- This is to be expected since Afghanistan is right next door to you and it has been a war zone for decades now.
3- Good, so you are okay with cooperating with them against the USSR, as long as the US is blessing the whole deal?
4- Do remind me where was Bin Ladin allegedly found and killed?
6- AQ and all such terrorist groups are too difficult to quantify and assess, so nothing about them can be confirmed and denied, how do you know that such attacks are not simply being conducted by the CIA, dont you find it odd that AQ, ISIS, etc...almost exclusively target Muslims and never Israel or the US?

Anyhow, thank you for being civil, that being said, it is undeniable that the escalation of this conflict would be very bad for Pakistan, as Pakistan neither has the budget or capability to effectively solve the problem, the only real way to solve it would be to conquer Afghanistan, eliminate CIA assets and develop the place so folks wouldn't have an incentive to join terrorist groups in exchange for cash.

Hence building a separation wall (where it's geographically possible) along with censor laden outposts, tunnel detection equipment, all the while conducting ISR operations inside Afghanistan to identify possible sources of problems and eliminating them before they can become a threat, all whilst de-esclating and publicly downplaying the conflict seems to be the most cost effective solution to this problem.

Notice how a good chunk of social media accounts hyping up this conflicts are American and Indians.

you ability to justify terrorism is astonishing , Taliban or Israel should hire u

 

[LeGenD]

It also recognizes ISIS as a terrorist group and yet it just recently appointed an ISIS terrorists as the president of Syria.
It's almost as if Americans have a tendency to lie a lot.

Baghdadi did not budge and was assassinated. Syria's leader switched sides.

 

[Arkan55]

i am not Egyptian ( thank god ) and dont care enough to find a good shitpost , have a nice day

You did make a shitpost, you just did so in an utterly incompetent manner, worthy of mockery, I am not sure why you would need to find a good shitpost but whatever.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Your effeminate and emotional outburst is hardly warranted

bahaha

I am not sure why you would need to find a good shitpost but whatever.

because u wanted higher quality shitpost

 

[Liquidator]

You did make a shitpost, you just did so in an utterly incompetent manner, worthy of mockery, I am not sure why you would need to find a good shitpost but whatever.

Bro
Go eat some kushari and chill.

 

[Arkan55]

you ability to justify terrorism is astonishing , Taliban or Israel should hire u

I am just gonna ignore you from now on, you add nothing meaningful to the conversation and are seemingly incapable of debating, not sure if it's because you are a cretin or a shill, I cant tell, tbh.

 

[Maea]

What you need to think is the advantages Pakistan has and how can that lead to a long term solution so events like this dont repeat in future ?

Pakistan has technology, a variety of weapon arsenal as well as a sizeable field Army and a fair enough budget. How can that give advantage to Pakistan over Taliban who can run into mountains for next 20 Years (as seen during ISAF tenure) and then come back and take over the country.

Pakistan can bomb the hell out of them, push their infrastructure back a few more years, but what is vital for Taliban which could actually hurt them in the long run ? PAF can send 1000 sorties per day and create rubble after rubble, but are we playing a game of numbers, like Pakistan kills 500 TTA/TTP while Taliban kill 100 Pakistan soldeirs so does Pakistan win ? Vietnam war proves otherwise. VC had tunnels, Taliban have caves.

Whats the long term effective and practical solution ? No a day dream wish. And what are the steps to reach that solution?

I know its a much complex issue and debate but here are my two cents:

After the fall of Ghani regime Pakistan went in with full support for TTA, asking in return no safe heaven for TTP/BLA. Obviously that didnt happen. Now I think it was due to two main reasons.
First, TTA wanted to have some sort of blackmail tool against Pakistan for their own agendas( trade and security agreements, aid etc etc).
Second, TTA just absorbed previous afghan regime policy of not recognizing the durand line and generally rascist and ethno-nationalistic view of Pakistan.

In the past four years Pakistan tried every possible trick, but the afghanis not only refused to cooperate they actively begin to aid the TTP against Pakistan.
Principally im against this war, but the afghanis left us with no options.

There isnt going to be any major ground incursion, or sustained air campaign, the is no need. The current TTP( recently eliminated) was unwiling to cease hostilities, now that they're enroute to hell we hope the next guy isnt as much retarted, although if you are TTP member there isnt much hope.

The new policy, imo( im a nobody have zero "sources" etc etc), is of perpetual precison strikes against TTP/BLA leadership in afghanistan untill they practically surrender.

This new approach of IBOs in Pakistan and decapitation strikes in afghanistan is very good. Given our resources and threat environment wrt india there is no need to keep our western border constantly hot.

 

[safriz]

Fencing is not deterrence. However fencing can help to an extent but in the face of a determined attacker, it won't do much.

Deterrence is established once Taliban know that the cost of backing TTP is manifold more than a peaceful relationship with Pakistan. That means hitting the. Taliban in Kandahar and Kabul. They will launch suicide attacks but the response has to be overwhelming till they sue for peace and reign in TTP.

The coast cannot be increased by simple Brut force. Multiple technologies have to be involved. Look at the Air force. By integrating Technologies and Kill mesh, not a Kill chain, they have increased the cost of invasion for IAF so much that its not even feasible for them.
2019 the IAF not only lost 2 Jets, they had to spend Billions for buying new Radios for entire front line fighter fleet as their existing radios were jammed by PAF.
Again in May 2025 the new Radios were jammed with improved technology.
Thats how you increase the costs for the enemy.
Army should start thinking along the same line.
We are fed up of Singing "Rahe haq ke shaheedo" when providing better gear, tactics , support , could have saved the lives of soldiers.
With better technology all across the western border , while Afghan will have to send people for attacking Pakistan, our side would be able to do it remotely and precisely. That will increase the cost for the Afghans.

 

[hasssanali8998]

1- Afghan hasn't had a centralized government since the cold war era, so that's kinda irrelevant.

that doesn't matter they have never accepted us as a country and continue to wage to liberate kpk and Baluchistan and impose their version of Islam on us

2- This is to be expected since Afghanistan is right next door to you and it has been a war zone for decades now.

no we could have been like other countries and rejected them we didn't need to accept them

3- Good, so you are okay with cooperating with them against the USSR, as long as the US is blessing the whole deal?

no read the post again we did the same against nato forces unless u think CIA wanted us to do that too

6- AQ and all such terrorist groups are too difficult to quantify and assess, so nothing about them can be confirmed and denied, how do you know that such attacks are not simply being conducted by the CIA, dont you find it odd that AQ, ISIS, etc...almost exclusively target Muslims and never Israel or the US?

because we have functional intelligence agency that traces these attackers down to their villages and backers , its not hard when u have HUMINT

Anyhow, thank you for being civil, that being said, it is undeniable that the escalation of this conflict would be very bad for Pakistan

we have no choice , we cant just sit while these groups kill dozens of soldier weekly

the only real way to solve it would be to conquer Afghanistan, eliminate CIA assets and develop the place so folks wouldn't have an incentive to join terrorist groups in exchange for cash.

no we dont want to do that

4- Do remind me where was Bin Ladin allegedly found and killed?

and do remind me how many 911 members were Egyptian

Hence building a separation wall (where it's geographically possible) along with censor laden outposts, tunnel detection equipment, all the while conducting ISR operations inside Afghanistan to identify possible sources of problems and eliminating them before they can become a threat, all whilst de-esclating and publicly downplaying the conflict seems to be the most cost effective solution to this problem.

that is what we are doing u imbecile

I am just gonna ignore you from now on, you add nothing meaningful to the conversation and are seemingly incapable of debating, not sure if it's because you are a cretin or a shill, I cant tell, tbh

sorry but i cant in good faith debate with man from Egypt who pretends to know better than me who lives here and has dead family members because of ttp and other Pakistanis here who have gone through the same experiences and goes around saying this whole war is a farce and a show

 

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[hasssanali8998]

And I don't see how Al Sharaa switched sides

he is just your average opportunist , nothing more