Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[hasssanali8998]

Aljazeera

because they are Qatari and Qatar supports Islamist extremist

 

[side-winder]

Now they are trying to exploit our internal issues to get some support from Pakistani people.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Now they are trying to exploit our internal issues to get some support from Pakistani people.

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both actions could well be inter-linked and chained.

why so much empathy for this group only?!

 

[Taimoor]

I dont know if you remember or not, but I once interacted with you on the old forum regarding this theory. I presented my case with Biblical traditions / Tanakh data as the reference and had asserted that this Israelite origin of Pushtoon is just a fanciful myth.
I have spend more than a decade listening to Rabbis and even reading Tanakh (a hard copy of which I possess). So when I present my case, its not just an emotion rant or refutation for the sake of it.

I will try to get my posts from the older forum and copy the material here.

You may have, this is a subject dear to me.

You know there is a period of Jesus (AS) life that is missing, meaning unaccounted for? from 12 to 30 , thats 18 years. At the time of his ascension, he was around 33. We can say that most of his time was spend outside the holy lands. All we know, he wasn't present in the holy lands at that time, and he went "east", where exactly, no one knows. So the next question comes, that a prophet who in his own words, his life mission was towards the sheep of Isreal, what he was doing outside the land supposedly home to the children of Israel?

Ah well I am going off topic now

 

[aurelianpilled]

If you plot a PCA, these groups overlap with eachother, away from Arabs, Jews, Indians etc.

Aren't the majority of Pakistanis today made up of these components which are not so much away from the Arabs (Natufian/Anatolian), native Jews (Natufian/Anatolian), Indians (EHG/Zagrosian/AASI mix)? Like, every r/illustrativeDNA post of a Pakistani (Pashtuns, Balochs, Punjabis, Sindhis, Muhajirs, etc.) contains at least these five to six groups: Zagrosian (Iranian) NF, European HG, Anatolian NF (small), Natufian (almost non-existent with very small numbers), Caucasus HG (in small quantity), and the AASI.

The only difference is that the percentage varies depending on the person’s ethnicity, for example, a Baloch having a dominant Zagrosian NF input, a Muhajir with dominant AASI, while other ethnic groups like Pashtuns, Sindhis, Kashmiris, and Punjabis show a mix of all these groups with balanced percentages but one thing I have seen is that we all contain at least these five group inputs minus the Natufian.

 

[Broghil]

Now they are trying to exploit our internal issues to get some support from Pakistani people.

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They are trying to play smart. They recently had a software update. What they fail to understand is that this is a long game. And in the end after their suhaag Raat in India they are still an unrecognised unelected interim Govt whose immediate neighbour is Pakistan not India.

 

[Taimoor]

Genetics (real science of molecules, atoms and numerical) matter in real historical origin, folkfores built on modern religious or cultural sentiments do not matter an ounce in actual history. If you deny genetics of an ethnic group, you are basically denying scientific facts because of emotional fixation on folkfores.

Pashtuns, Baloch, Tajiks, Khorasanis, Pamiris are all eastern Iranics sharing almost same genetics of Iranian Neolithic/Chalcolithic farmers (Iran_N/Chl from Zagros Mountains) + Steppe MLBA (From Sintashta) + some mild East Asian in case of Tajiks or Indus Valley in case of Pashtuns/Baloch. All these genetic proportions are native to Iranic Plateaue from where these groups originated so its a matter of common sense.

Azeri = Iran_N/CHL + Steppe MLBA + East Asian
Persian/Kurd/Lur/Caspian Iranics = Iran_N/CHL + Steppe MLBA
Pashtun/Afghan = Iran_N/CHL + Steppe MLBA + mild Indus Valley
Baloch = Iran_N/CHL + Steppe MLBA + mild Indus Valley
Tajiks/ Uzbeks/Turkomans = Iran_N/CHL + Steppe MLBA + East Asian
Turkish = Iran_N + Anatolian Neolithic Farmers + Steppe MLBA + East Asian

If you plot a PCA, these groups overlap with eachother, away from Arabs, Jews, Indians etc.



Iran_N
Iran_CHL
ANF
Levant_N
Steppe EMBA
Steppe MLBA
Ancient North Eurasian (ANE)
East Asian (EA)
Caucasus Hunter Gatherer (CHG)

..... etc.... are genetically verified terms of ancient found genoms in human remains from different times in past that we compare modern individual genome with to see which part of genome matches with which ancient genome. If thousands of people of same ethnicity show similar proportions of specific ancient genome (Iran_N/CHL + Steppe = Pashtun), this verifies the origin of that ethnicity. Thats how geneticists work.



Their account or whatever folkfore was told to kids by their parents matter none, science does. Every ethnic Jew on earth comes from a totally different genetic clade of Natufian or Levant Neolithic Farmer (Levant_N) mixed with Anatolian Neolithic Farmer (ANF) and Steppe MLBA with mild variations of East African etc depending upon where they are from, even an Ashkenazi Blonde Jew from Germany will show these markers which totally different from Iranic groups like Pashtuns or Pamiris or Khorasanis.

You went about your rants, without basic understanding of the subject and the fact that the jews today are NOT , I repeat, are NOT the bani Israel. Their genes came from Khazaria region, which were CONVERTED jews, again I repeat, CONVERTED jews. So if you are using them as the baseline for anyone to prove their linage with Bani Israel, at this point, I do not know what to say to you.

You have this typical difficulty due to indoctrination, where being jew and Israelite aka Bani Israel, mean the same thing. That ancient Bani Isreal, no longer lives holy lands, what you have now is immigrant from Russia, Ukraine, Poland. And they, whatever gene they carry, is not the barometer of Bani Israel credentials.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Visit of DG ISI and Def Min refused by IEA

the reason for this visit was to give them last warning and i think we already gave them that

 

[VectorZero]

Visit of DG ISI and Def Min refused by IEA.

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fake news according to our media.

 

[kambhakt]

China just announced giving Pakistan, the tools to curb out all internal terrorism, as well.

No more blaming RAAAAA. If there is terrorism, you can blame the tools given by China.

 

[R2D2]

I would love to, i have researched this subject in depth for years. Someone mentioned it in the thread, was just replying to that. What scientific evidence you have seen? That since Pashtun gene do not match with today's Jews, they cant be Bani Israel?
Its not just oral tradition, they have family trees going back all the way to Talut, their customs, culture very much like ancient hebrews. And if you have notice, their language almost feel alien to the rest of Pakistan. You will see the pattern and inter mingling of other regional languages of Pakistan, between Punjabi, sareeki, Sindhi, baluchi. But with Pashto, its almost like something dropped in the middle from the sky.

According to genetic testing, Punjabis separated from Aryans and came south from Iran and Central Asia 3500 years ago. The Pashtuns originated from those remaining Aryans and came south later on. Gujjars are still living in Afghanistan and KPK. The Punjabis probably intermixed with the local Dravidians and that is why they have darker complexion compared to Pashtuns.

 

[Falgrine]

All we know, he wasn't present in the holy lands at that time, and he went "east", where exactly, no one knows. So the next question comes, that a prophet who in his own words, his life mission was towards the sheep of Isreal, what he was doing outside the land supposedly home to the children of Israel?

Thats a myth that is promulgated mainly by the Christian revisionists, and lately by some within the Muslim communities (Ahmadi beliefs etc).

The most simple explanation for the so called missing years is that, Bibile writers did not get that data to fill in the gaps. Or they were not interested in explicitly mentioning that phase of his life (A.S.).

Again we can have a debate about this as I have some knowledge about the compilation and authenticity of the Greek books a.k.a. Gospels, apocrypha and extra Biblical material. But that would be a digression from the scope of this thread.

May be we can write on each other walls and continue there.

 

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[Aggregate]

No more blaming RAAAAA. If there is terrorism, you can blame the tools given by China.

"Tools to Curb Terrorism" .. read again or please clear off the wreckage of Rafales / S400 from your reading glasses

 

[Waterboy]

He is only acting idiot -- Military operations fall in federal jurisdiction. At best, they can refuse co-operation of provincial law enforcement agencies (police / CTD etc).

If they go down to that level to deny any co-operation with the military or impede any counter terrorism efforts. Its in direct conflict with the national security and national interests.

Its sad to see absence of national unity when most needed -- we are going no where in this war with such sad state of affairs.

Clearly shows that PTI is harming national interest.