Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[HRK]

You'd set a wrong precedence like that in our region
Central Asian countries are ethnic based nations due to leftist socialist policies
But our region from Iran to India are all multi ethnic nations with civic nationalism as it's core identity
At least theoretically
If you balkanize Afghanistan you'd open up a flood gate of similar demands in our own country eventually and a more dedicated/ furious demands for one nation from the Afghan side who's sole national identity would that be of a mono ethnic nation with no opposition.

Best scenario is to shift Afghan identity away from central Asian concept of ethnic based nationalism to a more Civic based one like it is in Iran, Pakistan, India etc

But how would you even start doing that? That's where our issues begin.

Yaar I wrote a detailed post on this issue right at the time when Taliban recaptured Kabul, I won't go in detail again but would post pointwise summary.

Now please keep in mind.

- since 1979 Afghanistan is not a united country under a single Government. Soviet tried to keep it united, Mujahideen tried, Taliban tried, USA tried it and even now Taliban 2.0 are still trying but the result is still same as we know.

- Afghanistan is not a functional country since 1979.

- No one could make it a "FUNCTIONAL COUNTRY"

- all the ethnic communities in Afghanistan have proved that they can't live together under the single Government.

- We must understand that the issue we are facing at our western birders is not because of one ethnicity or the other in Afghanistan, but Afghanistan it self is the root cause of the issue.

- As long as Afghanistan remain as an State it will maintain its claim as about Durand Line which means no amount of regime change would resolve the issue. Therefore to resolve the Durand Line issue we have to resolve the Afghan in totality as the problem.

- Afghanistan is just a buffer state which remain in existence due to great game between Great Britain and Soviet Union, now Russia is no more Soviet Union and far away from our borders therefore we do not have any such compulsion or threats.

- Current political borders of Afghanistan is not serving the interest of any nation or state even the interest of Afghanistan itself. Infact it is creating issues for all of the neighboring countries and for Afghanistan as well, therefore Afghanistan with it's current borders could not remain as a country for long period, sooner or later it will disintegrate so any unplanned and sudden disintegration would have potential to hurt Pakistan's National Interests.

 

[That_Guy]

If you said that in 2011 - 2015, I might have believed you. But after seeing a nearly two decades of violent ttp campaign, anyone who believes that can sweet talk them into disarming is living in a fool's paradise.

It's why I said that they're naive.

 

[Waz]

These Taliban are friends of Hindutva. That should tell us everything about them.

Yep lovely shariah there bro. I suppose the verdict of Islam on Islam hating savages doesn't apply to them as long as they can get what they want.
These stinky deformed monkeys make me hate them more each day.

I feel sorry for the women and children living under these fat bafoons. Also just why are they all so well fed and fat? Many of the poor folks don't even have three meals to eat a day.

 

[RocketLaw]

I think maybe Pakistan is temporarily ceasefire with Afghanistan due to this Gaza Peace Summit in Egypt.

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https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...shal-asim-munir-for-gaza-peace-efforts.27761/

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

whats (in the blue circle) that at 00:20 and 00:21 (reduce play back speed)

it is going too fast!

@Oscar @side-winder @RescueRanger

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[Dalit]

Yep lovely shariah there bro. I suppose the verdict of Islam on Islam hating savages doesn't apply to them as long as they can get what they want.
These stinky deformed monkeys make me hate them more each day.

I feel sorry for the women and children living under these fat bafoons. Also just why are they all so well fed and fat? Many of the poor folks don't even have three meals to eat a day.

Not a single Afghan woman wants to live under the barbarians. Hindutva welcome Taliban barbarians with open arms. The world has seen it.

 

[That_Guy]

There's no confusion in PTI 's mind ...they genuinely believe TTP and TTA are are the trump cards in their hands .

No, they do not.

Again, all these claims of what PTI's doing, when every single other party has done the same, yet only PTI gets targeted.

 

[Blain2]

It's why I said that they're naive.

Yaar, this naiveté has to end at one point in time and sooner than later (like yesterday). Pakistanis are losing their lives at the hands of a foreign funded/abetted terror machinery.
Forget about our brand of politics, it is Pakistanis, whether in the KP or FATA that are dying. Sons of families from all over Pakistan are making the ultimate sacrifice in KP everyday.
This is why PTI needs to align with the center.

 

[mythbuster]

No, they don't not.

Again, all these claims of what PTI's doing, when every single other party has done the same, yet only PTI gets targeted.

No other party has done anything like this.

 

[Blain2]

No, they don't not.

Again, all these claims of what PTI's doing, when every single other party has done the same, yet only PTI gets targeted.

They are under pressure/targeted because unfortunately all the mayhem and murder is happening in the province they govern and their policies are obviously a factor.

 

[side-winder]

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[That_Guy]

Yaar I wrote a detailed post on this issue right at the time when Taliban recaptured Kabul, I won't go in detail again but would post pointwise summary.

Now please keep in mind.

- since 1979 Afghanistan is not a united country under a single Government. Soviet tried to keep it united, Mujahideen tried, Taliban tried, USA tried it and even now Taliban 2.0 are still trying but the result is still same as we know.

- Afghanistan is not a functional country since 1979.

- No one could make it a "FUNCTIONAL COUNTRY"

- all the ethnic communities in Afghanistan have proven that they can live together under the single Government.

- We must understand that the issue we are facing at our western birders is not because of one ethnicity or the other in Afghanistan, but Afghanistan it self is the root cause of the issue.

- As long as Afghanistan remain as an State it will maintain its claim as about Durand Line which means no amount of regime change would resolve the issue. Therefore to resolve the Durand Line issue we have to resolve the Afghan in totality as the problem.

- Afghanistan is just a buffer state which remain existence due to great game between Great Britain and Soviet Union, now Russia is no more Soviet Union and far away from our borders therefore we do not have any such compulsion or threats.

- Current political borders of Afghanistan is not serving the interest of any nation or state even the interest of Afghanistan itself. Infact it is creating issues for all of the neighboring countries and for Afghanistan as well, therefore Afghanistan with it's current borders could not remain as a country for long period, sooner or later it will disintegrate so any unplanned and sudden disintegration would have potential to hurt Pakistan's National Interests.

I agree for the most part.

The disintegration of Afghanistan is going to happen, Pakistan may as well control it, so that it ends up benefiting Pakistan, rather than hurting it.

Its why I keep mentioning actively balkanizing Afghanistan is the only real solution.

 

[mythbuster]

Yaar, this naiveté has to end at one point in time and sooner than later (like yesterday). Pakistanis are losing their lives at the hands of a foreign funded/abetted terror machinery.
Forget about our brand of politics, it is Pakistanis, whether in the KP or FATA that are dying. Sons of families from all over Pakistan are making the ultimate sacrifice in KP everyday.
This is why PTI needs to align with the center.

ANP got wiped out by TTP and JUI-F 's leadership is getting killed every other week and this gentleman has the galls to call it same same.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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[That_Guy]

Yaar, this naiveté has to end at one point in time and sooner than later (like yesterday). Pakistanis are losing their lives at the hands of a foreign funded/abetted terror machinery.
Forget about our brand of politics, it is Pakistanis, whether in the KP or FATA that are dying. Sons of families from all over Pakistan are making the ultimate sacrifice in KP everyday.
This is why PTI needs to align with the center.

Even the center isn't aligned with the center.

PTI's naivety will go away eventually, but it doesn't help that they're actively being denied their political rights. Can you blame PTI supporters of being skeptical, when they were denied a clear mandate?

Regardless, the TTP issue needs to be dealt with by the army first and foremost. They're ultimately responsible for the security of the nation, not PMLN, not PPP, not MQM, and certainly not PTI.