Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[RescueRanger]

How much of a war weapons does Afghanistan have?

How many tanks in working state?
How many artillery?
How many Howitzers if any?

Prior to 2021 Taliban already had a large arsenal of soviet wra automatic assault rifles, light and heavy machine guns, RPGs, mortas and handguns.

It is estimated that less than a third of the USD 88 billion spent on the ANDSF went toward materiel including nearly 600,000 small arms and their ammunition.

Between 2017-2019, the US supplied the Afghan military with 7,000 machine guns, and more than 20,000 grenades, and in the past two years alone have given them more than 18 million rounds of ammunition.

Perhaps more significantly, in the period between the announcement of their withdrawal in April 2021 and July 2021, the US provided materiel valued at over USD 212 million to the ANDSF, including rockets, explosives and ammunition.

Much of the ANDSF and US/international equipment, aircraft, vehicles, and weaponry was either destroyed or removed from Afghanistan, a process which began shortly after the Doha Agreement in February 2020.


Some planes were already in the US for maintenance and remained there, but US troops reportedly ‘demilitarized’, or rendered inoperable 73 other aircraft at Kabul airport, as well as 70 Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles (MRAPs), and 27 Humvees.

Additionally, other US and Afghan air force pilots flew themselves and family members to safety on some of the aircrafts, meaning that roughly 61 fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters were moved to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.

The Taliban now have access to whatever has been left in the military weapons caches across Afghanistan.

One US official said, ‘everything that hasn’t been destroyed is the Taliban’s now’.

From just one base the Taliban are known to have acquired 70 sniper rifles and 900 other guns.

Everything the Taliban obtain from takeovers like this they call ghanima (war booty).

This ghanima includes more than just SALW (Small Arms Light Weapons)

Over 160,000 radios and pieces of communication equipment were supplied by the US, as well as around 16,000 night-vision goggle devices.

The machine guns, mortars, and artillery pieces acquired have already given the Taliban an advantage against the failed resistance strongholds that once fought in the Panjshir Valley northeast of Kabul.

Other weapons:

Tanks
100(estimated) T62's. Only a handful seen in parades.

Soviet Anti Aircraft Guns (Unknown Quantities)

128 second-hand artillery pieces between 2006 and 2013

159 TOW anti-tank missile in 2009.

In addition to the above it is estimated the Taliban may have somewhere between 232 to 350 m-30 and d-30 towed artillery pieces. The operational readiness of these cannot be confirmed.

Afghanistan had in its inventory multiple Soviet Era Frog7, BM21, BM27 missiles. Always 7 BM21's are operable.

The taliban showcased a SCUD B missile during a parade in 2022


Regarding the Scud-B missile, it is reported that Taliban militants found the Scud-B ballistic missile and its warhead in the Panjshir Valley in eastern Afghanistan last year.

According to open sources, several hundred of these Scud-B ballistic missile systems were provided to the Afghan government in the 1980s by the communist regime of the Soviet Union as military aid.

The Scud-B is classified as a tactical ballistic missile with a range of up to 300 km, with a possible circular error (CEP) of 450-900 meters. These missiles are designed to attack strategic enemy targets such as airfields, command posts, large concentrations of troops and combat vehicles, air defence batteries, and fuel depots.

There is no information on whether this Scud-B ballistic missile can still operate properly or how many units are feasible to use from the hundreds that exist.

Source: CAR Report

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

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[Yasser76]

Seriously though i want replies to this post

How much do you think talibans forces will be hurt by this if we keep this swift pace going for a day and a half or 2 days.

Finished, as a conventional force anyway. They will just consist of light infantry

 

[Liquidator]

Is the Afghoon minister still doing puja in India?

Is the bastion of Sharia still giving Salaam to hindutva Islam haters?

Remember....they thought this would burn us HAHAHA

 

[hasssanali8998]

In today's world it's almost impossible to keep some other country's territory or annexing it permanently. So what would we achieve in the long run?

its small so its possible , we will gain access to central Asia

 

[imadul]

If we put aside IK and narrow context -
Think of Afg war and how it went from the mujahideen factory - to post US withdrawal and Zia’s “Koh kaaf” ideals( the “strategic depth” aspect didn’t come out of thin air) to then rumored PAF air support for Taliban in their initial 90s campaign.

So you did actively interfere in Afghanistan (because others were as well) - then you “installed” what you thought was a friendly regime but turned out they were still nutjobs who were able to hijack buses and shave your entire football team bald because they wore shorts for a match in Kabul.

More importantly - every new handler for each faction and associated top diplomats would give different messaging to what were already warlords whom you used to host in PC Bhurban on and off in return for trained folks to use in Kashmir, for GCC needs and elsewhere.

Now come 2001 you decide to ditch everyone after the US balked at your proposal to get OBL and maybe let them bomb for a bit instead of a full regime change so you got every leader out who accepted your offer and the rest you actively helped in being mincemeat even as you cried crocodile tears internally.

In this you talk about capturing peaks and so on so forth - in an area you otherwise had completely abandoned as a state. Imagine villagers used to seeing the one off political guy come in every eid now seeing troops and so on with checkpoints.

Then when they turned on you now you realize what snakes you were breeding. In this case the Indians regardless of their intentions in saying it are right - “When you breed snakes…”

Yeah, it is right, anyone who has been watching and/reading jihad inc since 1979 know the quick knee jerk fixes.
7 party muj alliance failed under hameed gul to take jalalabad, so after taliban took over afg, ISI adopted them.
In every matter, ISI/ghq played Rommel+Churchill and failed - a Nanbai cannot be a chef.

So it all comes to ONE FACT - it is not the domain of ghq to govern the whole cosmos, they just cannot do it, does not matter how many big caliber guns they got.
At the bottom of every disaster, it is same colonial army mindset.
بھائی، خدا کے لیے اور پلاٹ لے لو، ہماری جان چھوڑو۔
We can keep beating symptoms for another 76 years, it will be same sh!t.

 

[Ghazizafar]

Yeah, really does seem like that India visit was what made Munir get decisive. If talibs wanted to send us a sign by going to Delhi, this was our response. To end them.

Not only it was just a visit, it was a love affair. The way he behaved, what he said, all contributed.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Prior to 2021 Taliban already had a large arsenal of soviet wra automatic assault rifles, light and heavy machine guns, RPGs, mortas and handguns.

It is estimated that less than a third of the USD 88 billion spent on the ANDSF went toward materiel including nearly 600,000 small arms and their ammunition.

Between 2017-2019, the US supplied the Afghan military with 7,000 machine guns, and more than 20,000 grenades, and in the past two years alone have given them more than 18 million rounds of ammunition.

Perhaps more significantly, in the period between the announcement of their withdrawal in April 2021 and July 2021, the US provided materiel valued at over USD 212 million to the ANDSF, including rockets, explosives and ammunition.

Much of the ANDSF and US/international equipment, aircraft, vehicles, and weaponry was either destroyed or removed from Afghanistan, a process which began shortly after the Doha Agreement in February 2020.


Some planes were already in the US for maintenance and remained there, but US troops reportedly ‘demilitarized’, or rendered inoperable 73 other aircraft at Kabul airport, as well as 70 Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles (MRAPs), and 27 Humvees.

Additionally, other US and Afghan air force pilots flew themselves and family members to safety on some of the aircrafts, meaning that roughly 61 fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters were moved to Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.

The Taliban now have access to whatever has been left in the military weapons caches across Afghanistan.

One US official said, ‘everything that hasn’t been destroyed is the Taliban’s now’.

From just one base the Taliban are known to have acquired 70 sniper rifles and 900 other guns.

Everything the Taliban obtain from takeovers like this they call ghanima (war booty).

This ghanima includes more than just SALW (Small Arms Light Weapons)

Over 160,000 radios and pieces of communication equipment were supplied by the US, as well as around 16,000 night-vision goggle devices.

The machine guns, mortars, and artillery pieces acquired have already given the Taliban an advantage against the failed resistance strongholds that once fought in the Panjshir Valley northeast of Kabul.

Other weapons:

Tanks
100(estimated) T62's. Only a handful seen in parades.

Soviet Anti Aircraft Guns (Unknown Quantities)

128 second-hand artillery pieces between 2006 and 2013

159 TOW anti-tank missile in 2009.

In addition to the above it is estimated the Taliban may have somewhere between 232 to 350 m-30 and d-30 towed artillery pieces. The operational readiness of these cannot be confirmed.

Afghanistan had in its inventory multiple Soviet Era Frog7, BM21, BM27 missiles. Always 7 BM21's are operable.

The taliban showcased a SCUD B missile during a parade in 2022
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Regarding the Scud-B missile, it is reported that Taliban militants found the Scud-B ballistic missile and its warhead in the Panjshir Valley in eastern Afghanistan last year.

According to open sources, several hundred of these Scud-B ballistic missile systems were provided to the Afghan government in the 1980s by the communist regime of the Soviet Union as military aid.

The Scud-B is classified as a tactical ballistic missile with a range of up to 300 km, with a possible circular error (CEP) of 450-900 meters. These missiles are designed to attack strategic enemy targets such as airfields, command posts, large concentrations of troops and combat vehicles, air defence batteries, and fuel depots.

There is no information on whether this Scud-B ballistic missile can still operate properly or how many units are feasible to use from the hundreds that exist.

Source: CAR Report

can they acquire weapons and operators from black market?

 

[RescueRanger]

can they acquire weapons and operators from black market?

Possibly yes. But again - most of the equipment they have is wreckage. Only a handful of tanks were shown in the parade ans only 1 scud launcher and warhead.

Everything else is likely weapons that were stored in Panjshir which they captured when they invaded Panjshir after the collapse of the NA.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Is thr Afghoon minister still doing puja in India?

yes

even 50 to 100 of them is enough for an effective defence in terms of certainly areas for the talibs

we have drones we can take them out just like in russian war

 

[Yasser76]

Most of the tanks are used as stationary turrets, because they don't have the capability to service the chassis. Another Chuck are used as spares. I'd say the talibs have maybe 20 to 30 serviceable tanks that they can operate at full efficiency.

Their IFVs are probably in similar condition.

The MLRS are decades old, and have not seen any sort of maintenance or service since the 90s.

Their howitzer are the only real threat, as those are relatively uncomplicated systems compared to others they have. They're also systems that the Americans helped the ANA keep in service, especially the D-30s, so they should be relatively plentiful and active. Even if they're not 200, even 50 to 100 of them is enough for an effective defence in terms of certainly areas for the talibs.

It is the targeting, especially at night, that they will also have issues with, unless it is against fixed Pakistani positions, but then it may be hard to get that near, but yeah, anything that shoots at us is a potential danger for sure. Hopefully drones are giving us good ISR

 

[Blain2]

This is giving Pakistan valuable experience in FPV drone warfare. Russia and Ukraine did it with really heavy losses. Pakistan is getting all of that experience practically for free, at zero risk. Pak Army might be the 3rd army in the world after Russia and Ukraine, who are getting this skill.

From the quality of videos ISPR is publishing, it looks like India actually gave a free FPV drone training opportunity to Pakistan. This capability will be nightmare for India in any potential future war. I can already picture the Indian generals watching all of these videos and slapping themselves at what they have done !

As usual the BJP govt keeps shooting India in the foot. I would love to see the day when GD Bakshi falls form his chair shouting about why they let Pakistan get expert at this.

You forget Azerbaijan? They used drones to devastating effect against Armenia (on a brighter note, very happy they have mended fences...always believe Muslims and Orthodox Christians in Russia, Caucasus etc. should have good, amicable relations).

 

[Tamerlane]

Honestly, I am also baffled. WTH is wrong with the Taliban govt?!! After the Americans left in August 2021, Pakistan showed no desires on Afghan land, Pakistan never threatens to stop supplies to Afghanistan, never threatens to stop water to Afghanistan... All Pakistan asks for is a a neutral Afghanistan. The transit routes have been open. The Afghan refugees' expulsions get halted. And yet the idiots would support the TTP terrorists inside Pakistan for some 'ideological' reasons. Don't they know that there is only one country in the world where the ordinary Afghans have a large public level sympathy and that's Pakistan because it is in Pakistan's very DNA.

Maybe they have bought too much of the Koolaide about being 'The Graveyard of Empires'. Have they considered that the operative word is 'Graveyard'??!!

Their behaviour in harboring TTP and BLA terrorists is to a large degree explained by the ancient Pashtun code of Pashtunwali which puts a huge emphasis on giving refuge to anyone who seeks it. Mullah Umer sacrificed the whole country to American bombing instead of handing over Osama Bin Laden.

Pashtunwali is a good code to follow. However, sometimes it goes against Islamic law when criminals are given refuge when Islam requires that criminals must be punished. In those cases, some hardliners give preference to their tribal code over Islamic law.

An interesting thing is that Pashtunwali has been found to have commonalities with the Jewish Law of Moses.

Key principles of Pashtunwali

• Melmestia (Hospitality): A fundamental duty to welcome, protect, and care for guests, regardless of who they are.
• Badal (Revenge): The obligation to seek retribution for a wrong committed against one's honor, family, or property.
• Nanawatai (Asylum): The duty to grant and protect those who seek refuge, even if they are an enemy, as explained in this YouTube video.
• Nang (Honor): A central concept that is often tied to the protection of zan (woman), zar (wealth/gold), and zameen (land).
• Respect for elders and family: Emphasis on respecting elders and honoring parents.

 

[Aggregate]

Yeah, really does seem like that India visit was what made Munir get decisive. If talibs wanted to send us a sign by going to Delhi, this was our response. To end them.

From the reports I have read, the idea was that Taliban would engage Pakistan in the west and Pakistan would go all in. That is when India would attack. But instead Pakistan used the bare minimum to contain Taliban and used alternate tactics like FPVs and Targeted fire at a slow pace, which has the same effect and Pakistan practically diverted nothing from the East. Alhamdulillah, Allah has blessed us with an Army that has not let us down in both of these conflicts, unlike the way most other Muslim countries cave in.

 

[That_Guy]

yes

we have drones we can take them out just like in russian war

It's why I said certain areas. Across 99% of the border, they're worthless. They're only effectively in dug in positions that have hardened shelters, or are camouflaged.