Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[hydrabadi_arab]

Taliban commander claims they don't have jets or missiles but their "reach extends deep into Pakistan".

What else is he implying if not proxy terrorist groups like TTP and his refugees? Their main tactic is subversion and instability.

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They were already doing it. The difference now is days of Pakistan blaming just "bad" Taliban are over. The message to Taliban is clear, you do terrorism then Afghan people in Pakistan will suffer. Their deportation drive speed will increase. Transit trade will continue to be halted. On top of that Kabul/Kandahar will also burn.

 

[Tamerlane]

Your right, we should just let the Afghans repeatedly attack us, in multiple terrorist attacks killing hundreds every year and do nothing in return but endless jirgas and begging for them to change and stop

At least we will be seen as champions

Yes, if they attacked us then we should fight back. However, I’m sure that this situation is an extension of the regime change in Pakistan. You commit one blunder and then you have to commit a dozen more blunders to deal with mess you’ve made.

Someone in this thread accused the Taliban of being unelected. That really made me laugh. For one thing, those same Taliban were installed by the Pakistanis. Second, the people ruling Pakistan are themselves unelected. They’re an illegitimate group of lawbreakers who have seized power and suppressed the population. Yet they’re going around making deals with foreign powers and launching wars.

So, it’s one illegitimate group fighting with another illegitimate group. Launching wars to win legitimacy is a strategy that is thousands of years old.

People like us are just sheep whose only worth is to cheer the dear leaders and die for them. Meanwhile, they get the fame and grow richer.

 

[Toxic]

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If this is true then the khakis have outdone themselves in their retardedness

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

Taliban commander claims they don't have jets or missiles but their "reach extends deep into Pakistan".

What else is he implying if not proxy terrorist groups like TTP and his refugees? Their main tactic is subversion and instability.

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So Does RAW MOSSAD CIA CRU and many other countless have reach far deep into Pakistan...
This arse clown should be told that just one side of the coin...
Pakistan the country will have a reach into your next 10 generations including your current little pillay and wives running around...
They will be so so so many bullet holes in them that this fucker will not have ENOUGH tears compared to holes that his loved one will get if he try to reach out in Pakistan.....
This is a Group
Pakistan is FUKING country that gives seizures and heart attacks to world rulers who the heck these little tiny puny roaches....
We can give a heart attack and panic to entire planet.... These little shit jumping mullah....

 

[Baibers_1260]

Pakistani rulers have historically been seen as Western puppets, like Sisi of Egypt and Abdullah of Jordan. However, once the Americans dumped Pakistan and started favoring India, Pakistan was starting to be seen in the Islamic/Chinese camp. War with India, support for Iran (whatever it was), and the deal with Saudi Arabia made it seem for a brief moment that Pakistan was a potential champion of the Islamic world.

1. Could you explain WHY the TTP TTA BLA carries out brutal
terror attacks against Pakistan?

2. The BLA ostensibly wants an "independent free Baluchistan" .
Does that include parts of Iran as well?

3. What exactly does the TTP/TTA want now that they have a
majority Pashtun speaking country to themselves?

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

an extension of the regime change in Pakistan

Bajwa did it not Asim Munir.
Imran Khan unjustly asking Asim Munir to give him what Bajwa took from him... How does that make sense? Wasn't Bajwa and Imran Khan were buddy buddy at one point????
It's a Karma... Imran Khan unjustly removed Asim Munir as ISI Chief because of his personal feelings...
However look at the fate...
Asim Munir is COAS and Khan asking the same person to bring him back to power ..
That's the reality.... Regime change culprits 2 B's BAJWA AND BIDEN
TODAY ITS ASIM AND TRUMP....
May I Add
Asim don't like Bajwa
Trump don't like Biden
So what's the problem.....

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Russia in Ukraine is a bad example for many reasons. Firstly, Russia's war aim is annexing territory itl considers Russian. The Western press glosses over this, but the Donbas region has a large number of ethnic Russians whose mother tongue is Russian and had militias fighting against the Ukrainian government for years before Russia invaded.

Also, consider how the war has played out and the costs Russia has incurred in terms of both the economy and loss of men and equipment. The war has been going on for over three and a half years with no end in sight and Russia has lost around a million in deaths and injuries, with the economy in a limbo.

Unlike Pakistan, Russia does not have another front open with a stronger adversary like India and is not facing internal insurgencies like in Balochistan and KPK right on the Ukranian border. Despite this, Ukrainians have carried out several successful internal sabotage operations in Russia . Putin also doesn't face the kind of internal opposition that the establishment faces from PTI and TLP and I doubt the Saudis are going to send their troops to fight in Pakistan like the North Koreans have done in Russia.

The uncomfortable truth is that the Aghan Taliban has generally been successful in keeping terrorist organisation, like ISIS, that the big powers care about under control. None of US/NATO, Russia, China and even regional powers like Iran , India and GCC want to see Afghanistan destabilised and for international terrorism ( directed at countries other than Pakistan) to resurface again. So, this is a battle Pakistan will pretty much have to fight on its own.

You've misread the board there... Russians started passive to pressure a rational regime in Kyiv. The Ukrainians were not!

They wanted to force a compromise... it almost worked until it didn't and the collective decided to not only foot the bill but started providing volunteers. In fact Ukraine was set up as a quagmire for Russia... they fell for it! BUT STABILIZED!
Instead of going all in with full force... they read the board... knew that NATO can jump in... they had to play a balance... keep their deterrent... not prod too deep without securing the area which allows Ukraine to take out Russians asymmetrically and weaken them irrevocably... leaving them unable to take on NATO. As a result Ukraine has become a rump that cannot sustain a state if not for the western largesse. In this case that would still suit Russia for having reduced a potential adversary into rubble.

But that was not what I was implying or to which you replied. The position of moving the line across the frontier incrementally disables the Ukrainians seeking to make this an unconventional war... where they could destabilize the areas behind the Russian lines. Attempts made to keep forces behind or push into Russian territories was in the same vein. Again, it is a about the strategy and not equivocation with the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Landlocked Afghanistan cannot hope the same resistance mounted by Ukranians on the back of the collective.

 

[Owaiz]

You've misread the board there... Russians started passive to pressure a perhaps rational regime in Kyiv. They were not!

They wanted to force a compromise... it almost worked until it didn't and collective decided to not only foot the bill but started providing volunteers. In fact Ukraine was set up as a quagmire for Russia... they fell for it! BUT STABILIZED!
Instead of going all in with full force... they read the board... knew that NATO can jump in... they had to play a balance... not prod too deep which allows Ukraine to take out Russians asymmetrically and weaken them irrevocably... unable to take on NATO. As a result Ukraine has become a rump that cannot sustain a state of not for the western largesse. In this case that would still suit Russia for having reduced a potential adversary into rubble.

But that was not what I was implying or to which you replied. The position of moving the line across the frontier incrementally disables the Ukrainians seeking to make this an unconventional war... where they could destabilize the areas behind the Russian lines. Attempts made to keep forces behind or push into Russian territories was in the same vein. Again, it is a about the strategy and not equivocation with the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Landlocked Afghanistan cannot hope the same resistance mounted by Ukranians on the back of the collective.

The objectives of Russia and Pakistan are fundamentally different. Russia wants to capture/ expand influence in regions that are de facto and de jure part of Ukraine . Pakistan just wants to contain an internal insurgency. The attacks on Pakistani forces are being carried out inside Pakistan and the insurgency already has cells and sympathisers inside Pakistan . Pakistani security forces are already vulnerable and being attacked inside Pakistani territory. Stretching the supply lines by going into Afghanistan will only make them more vulnerable without achieving the strategic objective of stopping the attacks.

 

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If this is true then the khakis have outdone themselves in their retardedness

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. How many times have you been fooled by them?

 

[Tamerlane]

Bajwa did it not Asim Munir.
Imran Khan unjustly asking Asim Munir to give him what Bajwa took from him... How does that make sense? Wasn't Bajwa and Imran Khan were buddy buddy at one point????
It's a Karma... Imran Khan unjustly removed Asim Munir as ISI Chief because of his personal feelings...
However look at the fate...
Asim Munir is COAS and Khan asking the same person to bring him back to power ..
That's the reality.... Regime change culprits 2 B's BAJWA AND BIDEN
TODAY ITS ASIM AND TRUMP....
May I Add
Asim don't like Bajwa
Trump don't like Biden
So what's the problem.....

What can I say? Where should I start?

We, educated people, treat the constitution of the country as toilet paper, so we can’t expect those in power to respect it if it doesn’t suit them.

The prime minister of the country can sack anyone he likes and make anyone the chief of the army. That’s how it’s supposed to work based on our constitution.

Asim Munir doesn’t have to bring Imran Khan back to power. However, elections must be held and power transferred to a legitimate government. They would be in the best position to make decisions about who to be friends with and who to fight.

If you add up the number of people living in dire poverty in Pakistan it would be more than in Afghanistan. That’s because we have almost 6 times the population. It’s not that the rulers of Pakistan have made the country prosperous. Now, with this war, I can see any little investment in Pakistan fleeing for the hills.

So, while the people in power may become stronger and richer I can imagine the country getting even poorer.

 

[ARMalik]

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What utter bullshit. These 2-cent Youtubers.

 

[Blueishere]

Ceasefire might not hold as Afghan Taliban have become proxy for Delhi: Khwaja Asif​

“I have my doubts that the ceasefire will hold, because the [Afghan] Taliban are being sponsored by Delhi,” he added. “Right now, Kabul is fighting a proxy war for Delhi.”

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The objectives of Russia and Pakistan are fundamentally different. Russia wants to capture/ expand influence in regions that are de facto and de jure part of Ukraine . Pakistan just wants to contain an internal insurgency. The attacks on Pakistani forces are being carried out inside Pakistan and the insurgency already has cells and sympathisers inside Pakistan . Pakistani security forces are already vulnerable and being attacked inside Pakistani territory. Stretching the supply lines by going into Afghanistan will only make them more vulnerable without achieving the strategic objective of stopping the attacks.

Again you're taking it the wrong way... it is not about intent but strategy to pacify an enemy with propensity to go unconventional.

 

[ARMalik]

They want Haqqani out of the way. They have been wanting this for some time.

Nope, they are scared that Haqqanis will do something. Haqqanis are strong - they can take care of these warlords including those directly commanding the TTP.

 

[Toxic]

On the topic of taking the wakhan corridor It would be a logistical challenge, since there are no roads. troops and supplies would need to transported by air. There's also no airstrip so one would need to be constructed to allow transport aircraft to land, the resistance from the Taliban should be minimal since I doubt they have any major presence in the first place and there's only one or two dirt roads that can easily be monitored.