Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[RescueRanger]

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What does commander mean for Taliban? Rank below sucide bomber?

Commander is a title given to someone who as an honorific for people who lead tashkeels.

 

[mythbuster]

Nobody is stopping you or anyone else from conspiring to take the nuclear assets away.

I like the confusion. You lot have done a full circle from championing separation of the church and the state by citing Turkey and Malaysia to calling them theocratic states. Has the marriage ended with democracy so early? What differentiates your aspirations to those of the Afghan government?

Half baked fascists like you lose their amusement value very quickly.

You are an enigma , never understood where you stand.... sometimes I see you in bloodstained chadis and sometimes in three piece suits.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Wtf is wrong with qatar?

Nothing at all. Quite the opposite. They are trying to help solve this diplomatically that serves Pakistan interests and concerns, and at a lower cost to Pakistan, than a sustained conflict would cost Pakistan lost of $ that it doesn't have.

All this kicked off, when it became apparent to Pakistan that the Taliban were gonna allow India to setup terror training camps(ooppsss... i meant consulates!) in their land to be used against Pakistan.

 

[Baadil]

Thread needs some maturity and sanity injected into it. Some posts remind me of Israeli attitudes to Palestinians.

I am all for wiping out Taliban, bombing civilians is not how Pak forces work

People claiming to be Muslims espousing completely un-Islamic views. Additionally, emotions are charged which is understandable. It would be great to be able to filter out most of the posts. I guess it’s time to finally start using the “Ignore” function.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Here is how India conquered Karachi recently:

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erm - which image generator did you use to generate that picture btw

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Just a correction for sacke of record it was Ali Wazir from PTM

and then picked up by our brothers and sisters in PTI, I am sure our Patwari brothers would've been doing the same had General Faiz been in power with his so called Ladla as PM (as described by point was we Pakistani ourselves share and spread jokes and slurs at our country and its military and for outsiders they laugh at us all together without exception.

 

[Baadil]

Important distinction which many are forgetting.

Pakistan is an Islamic republic and the vast majority of populace has Islamic sensitivities.

So we must not and cannot forget that we ourselves are accountable for our actions in front of God.

We are facing a dire and unfortunate situation in which the state is forced to take military action against another group that is comprised of Muslims and Khawarij (TTA and TTP et al.)

Islamically, a Muslim state can take military action against another group of Muslims (or khawarij, which are also Muslims per legal criteria), if that group threatens the safety and security of the citizens.

So from an Islamic perspective, an action might be permissible but not praiseworthy or one that has to be cheered upon.

The nature of this warfare has imposed on us that despite best efforts, we cannot avoid loss of innocent lives 100%.

That is why, to preseve or moral and muslim identity, it is very important to explain it to ourselves and to the world, that the state is forced to act in such a way, and is not neccassirly pleased with the state of affairs.

Despite our hatred for Afghans at the moment, we must not forget that cheapening of Afghan blood, is inturn, cheapening of the Muslim blood. At the end of the day, they pray towards the same Kaaba and have the same kalimah.

We kill because we have to, not because we are bloodthirsty. We will stop when we see any opening that allows us to ensure our security without killing.

This is important to understand because we are operating in a weird binary. Either the Afghans are sacred brothers or they are vile namak harams that deserve massacare. The point is that the Islamic framework allows the state to take military action without us dehumanizing Afghans specially the TTA that we have courted for decades.

There is no point in burning all bridges because no matter how much explosives are dropped, at the end of the day we will be negotiating with them. This will happen today or tommorrow, but it will. Militray action is only to allow us to negotiate from a position of strength.

Brother there are those who try to syncretise Islam with their own ideologies from secularism to Nazism.

I think Pakistan is a nation-state which isn’t sure of what the nation is. This is the domain where TTP can make ideological inroads.

Separately, Khawaja Asif will be leading discussions with the Taliban today in Doha. Based on Khawaja sahib’s previous verbal record, perhaps afterwards he will provide a blunt summary of what can be expected in terms of resolving this conflict.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Really going off topic here, but yes.

Even when [Afghan] Mahmud Ghazni (10-11 century) invaded Sindh, there were only two Muslim majority or dominated centers in the country, i.e., Al-Mansoora and Multan, which he razed to the ground. Multan recovered. Al-Mansoora didn't. Despite this there are Mahmud Ghazni apologist running amok on this land. Islam as a popular/majority religion in Sindh emerged after Ghazni's invasion.

Also, Muslims had begun settling in Sindh before Bin Qasim's invasion (which in actuality was the tyrant Hajaj Bin Yousif's expedition). These included people who were opposed to and had resisted Ummayad rule and had gotten refuge in Sindh.

nailed it

these Afghan raiders were just the plunders, rapists and looters like Taimoor lung, there was nothing islamic about them. that romantasizing is cringy naming our own missiles in the names of these raiders who didnt even spare slaying Muslims. your commentary re Muhammad bin Qsim is spot on, Bravo, he was sent to take out the Muslims who escaped the Abassi / UUmayaat persecution. .. he met a brutal end at the hands of Suleman bin Abdul Malik upon his return. Hijaj who was also deposed was a genocidal psychopath.. there was no call of a woman for help that triggerd the invasion of Sindh.

but yea thats all off topic with the end note that the raiders from Afghanistan have been no different to Mangol, Huns and Tatari tribes from centreal Asia.. killing pillaging and other gruesome things.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

You should make a seperate thread where it can be discussed, also the whole story about Raja dahir's pirates taking Muslims hostage is completely cooked up

yea lets take it elsewhere .. there are so many counter narratives against this romantisied story which has so many plot holes, one of which is how that Lady managed to write down or wire the SOS massage and pass it on to the pirates/ sailoers and convince them to take it to Hijaj and risk to present to him who was always busy brutalising the citizens of Caliphate which involved impaling, mutilating and skinning people alive.

 

[Broghil]

What is current situation?

What happened to the peace talks in Qatar?

Situation on border?

About Qatar I don't know but it time for nuclear war on PDF. Would you also like to cook some khayali pulao?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

first to all appoligies to everyone for poining in off topic discussion regarding hstory of this region

leaving Nuclear strikes didnt mean we start arguing about how the Muslim woman managed to send an SOS to Hijaj that convinced him to send off an expedition to Sindh.. and I am guilty for that and sorry.

topic is... our on going conflict where the masks are off and TTP = TTA and now India has entered the room,

 

[Oracle]

While

You are the Oracle. You tell us

I know the future not current situation

Afghanistanis will never be your friend and always back stab you.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Exactly. Maybe they pretend to be muslims to give muslims a bad name.

You will find many Islamist grifters here in the UK trying to teach Muslims that the shitty afghan model is something to look up to.

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The reality is that Afghanistan is a disaster from top to bottom and the image of Islam being aligned with them has done great damage globally to the followers of the faith. In the recent Isreali attack on Iran many Afghan refugees were found to be on the Mossad payroll.

Afghanistan is a nation with no future. The problem Pakistan has that if you try to engage these people in a serious manner, the west will flood them with weapons and intelligence support.

 

[mythbuster]

nailed it

these Afghan raiders were just the plunders, rapists and looters like Taimoor lung, there was nothing islamic about them. that romantasizing is cringy naming our own missiles in the names of these raiders who didnt even spare slaying Muslims. your commentary re Muhammad bin Qsim is spot on, Bravo, he was sent to take out the Muslims who escaped the Abassi / UUmayaat persecution. .. he met a brutal end at the hands of Suleman bin Abdul Malik upon his return. Hijaj who was also deposed was a genocidal psychopath.. there was no call of a woman for help that triggerd the invasion of Sindh.

but yea thats all off topic with the end note that the raiders from Afghanistan have been no different to Mangol, Huns and Tatari tribes from centreal Asia.. killing pillaging and other gruesome things.

Stockholm syndrome .

 

[mythbuster]

I know the future not current situation

Afghanistanis will never be your friend and always back stab you.

Is Adelephi your girlfriend ? Lucky you.