Pakistan-Af: Operation Khyber Storm

[Distant_Observer]

In all seriousness, do we know for a fact what happened in that strike?

Were they TTP who were also cricketers? Were they cricketers who just happened to be at a TTP hideout at the wrong time? Or was it a completely botched strike?

Yes 70 HGB fighters got wacked with collateral. I consider that as mission accomplished.

 

[Baibers_1260]

@Baibers_1260

Hopefully the. result will be better than India supporting the LTTE against Sri Lanka ; in case the lesson has been forgotten.

No, sir, we have not forgotten at all. In rearing the LTTE, we made the same mistake that you did in rearing the Muj and later the Talibs- rearing snakes in our own backyard. We have learnt our lessons and henceforth we will be rearing snakes in your backyard, not ours.

Regards

Is this India's backyard or Pakistan's ? Couldn't find Deoband on our map.


Reality Check:
According to the Afghanistan embassy in New Delhi, there were an estimated 13000 registered students studying in India in 2023. With visa cancellations by India, after the fall of the Ashraf Ghani regime, the number of "students " registered and studying is 4500, The whereabouts of the rest of the "students " with visa cancellations due to there pro-Taliban sympathies is unknown. There is no record of any significant arrests or deportations Afghan "students " many of which departed from regular universities and melted into madarsas. The Deoband madarsa has 5000 students but has not publicly disclosed the number of Afghan"students " studying there or who finances their education.
Even if the number is 3,000 unregistered "students " , that's a lot of snakes, The total number of TTP terrorists inside KPK is estimated to be 3,500 .

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Many of these huge Afghan IEA profiles out of desperation are posting fake tweets about how they have blown up civilian hotels like the Mariot.

It shows you their intentions. The Talibans entire existence has been bombing civilian targets.

If they try this in Pakistan, an entire village should be extinguished in response in Afghanistan. Absolutely zero mercy.

 

[RescueRanger]

Is this India's backyard or Pakistan's ? Couldn't find Deoband on our map.

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Reality Check:
According to the Afghanistan embassy in New Delhi, there were an estimated 13000 registered students studying in India in 2023. With visa cancellations by India, after the fall of the Ashraf Ghani regime, the number of "students " registered and studying is 4500, The whereabouts of the rest of the "students " with visa cancellations due to there pro-Taliban sympathies is unknown. There is no record of any significant arrests or deportations Afghan "students " many of which departed from regular universities and melted into madarsas. The Deoband madarsa has 5000 students but has not publicly disclosed the number of Afghan"students " studying there or who finances their education.
Even if the number is 3,000 unregistered "students " , that's a lot of snakes, The total number of TTP terrorists inside KPK is estimated to be 3,500 .

This was during his visit to India.

 

[kimjongun]

i have watched this video already and i can say with common sense that these scuds are empty...

 

[RescueRanger]

Many of these huge Afghan IEA profiles out of desperation are posting fake tweets about how they have blown up civilian hotels like the Mariot.

It shows you their intentions. The Talibans entire existence has been bombing civilian targets.

If they try this in Pakistan, an entire village should be extinguished in response in Afghanistan. Absolutely zero mercy.

Thr threats to the Marriott and Naval recruitment center in Karachi and other high profile targets is very real and credible.

 

[hasssanali8998]

i have watched this video already and i can say with common sense that these scuds are empty...

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Thr threats to the Marriott and Naval recruitment center in Karachi and other high profile targets is very real and credible.

Of course. Suicide bombing civilian targets is literally the Taliban's entire motto and how they became infamous.

And it should have wildly disproportionate retaliations in Afghanistan.

If Pakistani civilians bleed then 10 in place should bleed in Afghanistan. Only such a policy will produce results instead of the politically correct handicap narrative.

 

[Aggregate]

Only reason I supported the Field Marshal and disavowed Imran Khan was because of the terribly treacherous Afghan policy of PTI.

And the Field Marshal delivered a crushing blow. I like him.

FM did quite well to deliver a blow to both Afghanistan and India. They can't seem to stop crying about the S400 statement. One would have to ask why they are so mad if nothing happened. for instance, Pakistan never once screamed about any F16claims by India or inflated number of Airbases, taking it as a desperation of India and moving on. But the way the Indians are crying at the S400 statement makes me totally believe in it now.

Also, I too stopped following IK the day he said we should 'destroy the US drones' (somewhere back in 2010s). I was a teenager back then, but I was astounded at how stupid the statement was, given the issues faced by Pakistan at the time. And yes, as you rightly said, we are now suffering from the same policies that came from that mind. what we need are the 'strategically' sound decisions as being done by the current team and the results are there for everyone to see.

 

[Jango]

Sir jee we will never know the full picture. That said calling it a botched strike is too harsh, we know these cockroaches all eat from the same plate.

Some collateral damage is to be expected when striking population centers. We are spending far too much time discussing a nothing burger when the greater threat is imminent.

Meh, this can never be justified.

Sure, if you have some sort of intel at all that they were related, you can make an arguable case.

But there have been botched strikes within Pakistan by our military, so totally not out of imagination it can't happen outside Pakistan. Heck, even the US botched strikes, that's how warfare is. But you cannot normalize that.

Kal ko phir Israeli bhi har Falasteeni ko maray to sahi hai?

And apart from the ethical/moral angle, you open yourself up to counter action by other entities in the region (mainly India). You have provided them a ready made excuse to execute action when they want as well now. Fine line to tread here.

Finally, not a nothing burger if you bomb their civilian population indiscriminately, and then expect to have peace with them down the road.

 

[Jango]

Yes 70 HGB fighters got wacked with collateral. I consider that as mission accomplished.

That was a different strike...no?

 

[Jango]

who cares , they are getting striked because they kill our innocent people , just today news came out a child and a women died because of GBHs attack

I guess the right wing xenophobia is not only rising in the Western world...

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Please dont discuss domestic politics in this thread. Thanks

Just having 'street support' is an indicator of nothing. Hitler had support of 78% Germans, Stalin had support of 70% Russians, and I can go on. That does not mean those people were any good for them or their country's future. Most common people do not have the firsthand strategic or political knowledge to know what is good for their countries. even counties like the US Fudge election results when they know that the people are not making the right decision.

On the other hand, Jinnah had support of less than 30% of the total Muslim population in 1947 and Gandhi had support of less than 35% of total Hindu population. Still they did things that would resonate for centuries to come.

In case of Pakistan, the Army brass that is making all the successes in international and military domain, would know better how to handle the things. Don't forget that its the IK/Bajwa/Faiz team that caused all of this mess in 2021. If Pakistan has finally made the commitment to get out of the Taliban nexus then we need to stop the same 40 year old fantasy of negotiating with the Taliban and deal with them in a different way. A buffer Zone and expulsion of Afghans is the correct approach and there is no need to again negotiate and get bitten by them after another 2 years.

I’m tired. Tired of explaining what should be obvious by now. Pakistan isn’t a democracy in any real sense. It’s a hybrid state. Politicians, political leaders and political parties may think they have power, but they don’t. In reality, no institution holds genuine power, not the parliament, not the judiciary, not even the Supreme Court. The Establishment is the sole custodian of authority. Everything else is theater.

We’re watching a performance where the actors change, the scripts evolve, but the stage remains firmly under their control. They own the lights, the sound, the curtains, and they decide who gets to speak and when. The people are handed roles, not agency. We’re allowed to act, but never to direct.

It’s not governance, it’s choreography. Carefully timed gestures, symbolic rulings, orchestrated outrage. The illusion of democracy is maintained just enough to keep the audience seated. But behind the scenes, the real decisions are made in rooms we’ll never enter, by hands we’ll never see.

And the truth is, they don’t care about justice, reform, or representation. They care about power, retaining it, expanding it, protecting it. They hold all the cards, and they reshuffle the deck whenever it suits them. The rest of us are just trying to play a game that was rigged from the start.

Whatever is happening now and happened in the past with Taliban and India, can’t be blame on political actors, sole custodian of authority must accept the responsibility.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

If the afghan's, let's continue to refer to them as such, do not accept the boundary, then it's up for grabs perhaps?

There is only one trajectory and only crowned. India projects in the region as a revisionist installation of a former colonial power. Not much stands from that era...
A new regional security architecture must be shaped with regional powers... chiefly Pakistan, Turkiye and Iran!
It is our backyard, our faith, our culture and our civilization and no one should be allowed to engineer anything different!!!

 

[pwfi]

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