mirage rebuild factory will sit idle.
PAC is not working at capacity, they're trickling orders to make sure they can stay busy for the next 5 years etc
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PAC is not working at capacity, they're trickling orders to make sure they can stay busy for the next 5 years etc
Ali_Baba
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Which begs the question, why isn't PAF ordering more JF17Cs to clear out the backlog of replacing the Mirages and F7PGs if there is spare capacity.
Mohid Afzal
Registered Member
I don't think the problem is man power and space. The old F-7 facility can be used for this should the need arises. The problem, imo, money (which it always is) and PAF's willingness to commit.
Yasser76
Elite Member
Yeah, I think we need to get realistic here and maybe just offload as much work as we can to China, maybe they can do the upgrades? Or as you say, with new inductions may not be much point upgrading the Block IIs.
It is a very interesting time to see exactly what mix of numbers of J-10/JF-17C/J-35 we eventually end up with
My guess is
3 X JF-17C
3 x J-10C
2 X J-35
Yasser76
Elite Member
I suspect we put the Azeri order ahead of PAFs.
Yasser76
Elite Member
Really? That makes no sense considering there is a big JF-17C back log between PAF, Azeris and new undisclosed client. Why would they not be at full capacity? Commercially makes no sense
Because the PAF is low on money.
The insanely huge development in sam, radars etc has to come from somewhere. I bet the Chinese have a rolling LoC that we can access’s for what we need, but it’s capped at an amount for the year etc.
Also, if the PAF was to order more units and put PAC at full capacity, in 3-4 years when al orders are fulfilled, PAC will sit idle and this is dangerous. This would mean the PAF would need to further order more (this happened with block 2s if my memory isn’t wrong) just to keep PAC afloat, so by running at reduced capacity, PAF can rely on Azerbaijan and other countries to keep PAC afloat while the PAF focuses on other areas (JF17 OCU?), only needing to keep PAC afloat when absolutely necessary, or when it has something they actually need from them. I’ve always said I think the block 3 is a bit of a stepping stone, it’s a version where lots of compromises were made and the PAF did not get everything they required, I just see it as another block 2. Whatever comes next will be the one they do standardise on accross the fleet imo
It does make total commercial sense. Why run PAC at capacity now and then in 3 years have it sit idle? Dripfeeding orders is nothing new, PAF has done it before, it has its fingers in too many pies at the moment and doesn’t have the funds to back it.
When PAF is able to allocate funds to PAC, then they can run it at capacity, but the danger is always that if you don’t have a plan for PAC, it will end up faltering (look at MiG), it is entirely reasonable to not run it at capacity.
This method keeps pac and its crew up and running for let’s say double the amount of years, this allows PAF to not necessarily commit to supporting it immediately, buying it breathing room, instead of having to place JF-17 orders in 3 years, PAF may get another 3 years to shore up funds and decide what it wants to do with pac/jf17 etc.
Yasser76
Elite Member
It makes commercial sense to let foreign customers wait more years then competitor manufacturers to deliver planes? Do you work in the world of commerce or industry?
Seems like you are just making shit up now
White Privilege
Registered Member
So, #25 is number plated and will be raised again like the Haiders ??
Yasser76
Elite Member
Interesting question, my guess is it will be numberplated. The "new" PAF Fighter sqds (25, 26, 27, 28 and 50) seem to never have the very cutting edge stuff historically
Looking at history there are the very favoured "elite" units that were at PAF's birth, 9, 5, 11 and 14. These units always got special treatment
Then there were the "Sabre" Sqds PAF raised as we inducted large number of F-86s in the 50s. These are 2, 15, 16, 17, 19 and 20. These are not considered "elite" but get decent kit, in the case of 15 Sqd it got J-10C
As mentioned, the "new" Sqds raised post 1965 (22, 25, 26, 27 and 50) seem the last in line.
Obviously the selection is also effected by the fact that the older "elite" units (9, 11, 14 and 5) are or have been F-16 units and pilots and squadron commanders were naturally fast tracked and most of the CAS's of last 30 years have been Viper drivers and thus from the old units. Many often ensure that their old unit is first in line for new cutting edge kit.
Trust me, we will never see a situation where say 27 Sqd has a much better aircraft then 9 Sqd
AeronautIR
HemlockKhalid
Yes. 3 Mirage and 3 PG squadrons remain in service and will be gradually replaced by Hi-tech aircraft.
Ibbi32
Registered Member
9 squadron is a very special case its the oldest and most elite formation in the paf so it will obviously have tip of spear aircraft as standard.
Also you forgot to mention no.8 sqdn they are also given a lot of the more mordern a2g and anti ship equipment and just now are upgrading to jf-17B3. Before other formations that have a more important air defence role
AeronautIR
HemlockKhalid
Actually, 15 sqn has inducted the best PAF aircraft and has surpassed 5,9,11 and 14. Even the Block 3 squadrons are not among these 4.
because it’s very clear you know what you’re talking about here….
