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Corax said:
The offensive element lacked conviction and punch, but that was perhaps due to the reticence of the army, rather than the PAF. Still, at least he got the chance to promote himself to field marshal.
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Yes, but more in mind policy has always been quid pro quo plus.

We hit you back plus a bit, policy has never been overwhelming retaliation. in light of that the relatiavely restrained response makes sense. I dont think India has the guts to go nuclear first but I guess as a policy maker we are not 100% sure right?

Also, like any sane country, we want to retaliate and deter but not escalate

This is obvioulsy a murkey grey area, but we are talking on here with the benefit of hindsite, our military decisions makers did not have that

I think our biggest mistake was not shooting more of them out of the sky
 
Ali_Baba said:
I do wonder if the pilots were suffering from workload 'overload', ie a human factor. It is known that their tactical links, and secure voice comms were being jammed, so their situation awareness was compromised. Did the jamming effect their systems so much that the pilots were having to manage a lot of "false alerts" from their sensors that came as a result of the jamming, and they simply didn't have the human capacity to filter through all the issues, verify their sensors and to respond quickly enough to all their jets were telling them?

A cockpit full of virtually everything flashing red lights, buzzers going off everywhere, no tactical situation and no brain bandwidth to cope with it all ?
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In case of false alerts, Indians would / could have fired missiles on Pakistani jets. I dont believe there were false alerts. They were silently hunt down without creating fuss alerts.
 
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Very simple explanation about fourth Rafale.
3 were shot and PAF was sure about them from the day one.
4th was a hit but didn't crash on spot and managed to land somehow. IAF tried to repair it initially only to be found later that it was beyond repair and had to be scrapped. Thus 4th Rafale was also put in list of shot down hets.
 
TopGun786 said:
Very simple explanation about fourth Rafale.
3 were shot and PAF was sure about them from the day one.
4th was a hit but didn't crash on spot and managed to land somehow. IAF tried to repair it initially only to be found later that it was beyond repair and had to be scrapped. Thus 4th Rafale was also put in list of shot down hets.
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Very plausible theory.

Bizarre that accoridng to Dassault's CEO Indians are not sharing any info with them
 
Ali_Baba said:
I do wonder if the pilots were suffering from workload 'overload', ie a human factor. It is known that their tactical links, and secure voice comms were being jammed, so their situation awareness was compromised. Did the jamming effect their systems so much that the pilots were having to manage a lot of "false alerts" from their sensors that came as a result of the jamming, and they simply didn't have the human capacity to filter through all the issues, verify their sensors and to respond quickly enough to all their jets were telling them?

A cockpit full of virtually everything flashing red lights, buzzers going off everywhere, no tactical situation and no brain bandwidth to cope with it all ?
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Doesn't work that way....most of the lights annunciation would be for major failures...like engine fire, launch failure etc.....since most cockpits like rafale have glass cockpits anyway.

Jamming radars would have the affect that Rafale/Su30MKI/M2K would either have false returns showing multiple targets at one instant and then no targets at another...creating a confusing situation......can also be that the radar's own return is cluttered and it is unable to track it as a single target. Without accurate tracking, no weapon can be launched because accurate guidance is not available.

This is at least my understanding.......Oscar can explain better I think
 
TopGun786 said:
Very simple explanation about fourth Rafale.
3 were shot and PAF was sure about them from the day one.
4th was a hit but didn't crash on spot and managed to land somehow. IAF tried to repair it initially only to be found later that it was beyond repair and had to be scrapped. Thus 4th Rafale was also put in list of shot down hets.
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He says CAS explained why it took 2 months to confirm....probably because PAF knew the whereabout of Dassault team that went to assess the damage and confirm that the jet cannot be repaired to the spec so it would be written off.....and this whole process could have easily taken 2 months.......keeping in mind the sensitivity for the Indians ego to not leak anything.

Only so much time you can hide these things.....eventually all Rafale losses will be out....
 
Let us not forget that as well as Sat images, radar tracks and photos there is HUMINT on the ground that ISI is very good at

Be interesting to see how we prove th full 4 Rafales.

Right now global concensus seems to be on 5 kills, if 4 Rafales that would indicate 7 kills (4 Rafales, MIG-29, SU-30, Mirages 2000-5)
 
Yasser76 said:
Let us not forget that as well as Sat images, radar tracks and photos there is HUMINT on the ground that ISI is very good at

Be interesting to see how we prove th full 4 Rafales.

Right now global concensus seems to be on 5 kills, if 4 Rafales that would indicate 7 kills (4 Rafales, MIG-29, SU-30, Mirages 2000-5)
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There must be whispers and internal audits going around about what was the true extent of damages/losses within the air force and other departments.
 

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China Requests US-Style Regulation for Pakistan’s J-35A Stealth Fighters​

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Chinese-made J-35A Stealth Fighter

Chinese-made J-35A Stealth Fighter

China Requests US-Style Regulation for Pakistan’s J-35A Stealth Fighters

China’s proposed significant agreement to provide Pakistan with advanced J-35A stealth jets has encountered an unforeseen obstacle. Beijing has requested surveillance protocols from Islamabad. The US has imposed similar protocols on Pakistan’s F-16 fleet. China’s request stems from significant concerns over espionage. This crucial mandate seeks to avert the transfer of sensitive stealth technology to American entities.

In June 2025, Indian OSINT reports indicated that Pakistan might procure 40 J-35A fifth-generation stealth fighters, along with advanced KJ-500 airborne early warning and control systems (AWACS) and sophisticated HQ-19 air defense systems. At first, the agreement seemed advantageous, especially given reports of an appealing nearly 50% discount, which estimated the total value at around $54.6 billion. Deliveries are anticipated to commence as early as August 2025. However, China’s insistence on rigorous oversight has impeded progress.

Chinese-made J-35A Stealth Fighter


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China Seeks US-Style Regulations for Pakistan’s J-35A Jets DEFENSE NEWS TODAY

China demands US-style oversight on Pakistan’s J-35A stealth jets, citing espionage fears, stalling a $54.6B deal and delaying deliveries.
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It’s a very good move by China. Pakistan’s Army institution is greatly influenced by the west and China must take measures to protect its sensitive technology.
 
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