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Pakistan Air Force participated in the Golden Jubilee celebrations of Pakistan during 1997, along with the Royal Air Force's aerobatics team 'Red Arrows'.

PAF Academy Risalpur flew a flypast over Fatima Jinnah Park Islamabad, comprising 21 MFI-17 ( Mushshak Training Aircraft); displaying figure of 50 (as seen from ground).

This was a historical event because it was first time ever (and perhaps the last too) that such a large number of Mushshak aircraft flew a flypast close formation, displaying a complicated figure of 50.

This was 24 Nov 1997, RAF team 'Red Arrows' also displayed after this flypast.

 

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[Irfan Baloch]

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question for everyone who knows the PAF and those who can make educated guesses and know bits about diplomacy and foreign relations...



our agreements and contracts from the past with USA and our current geopolitical standing....

why shouldn't Pakistan start fielding its F-16s against Chinese jets in its war exercises? India has no such restriction over the use of its American hardware.


fielding Pakistani F-16s against Chinese Flanker derivatives will give Pakistan great opportunity to train its one of the most numerous (70+ examples) jets against the Indian most numerous jets SU 30 MKI.

what is the reality and current status of those restrictions? buying anything from Americans is out of question now and our most advanced block 50s can be serviced by the Turks. Americans know well that we will and have used the F-16s since we don't have enough J-10s against the Indians and expecting us not to use our weapons is a folly. it is very cute and patriotic to think that a lighter JF-17 even in its block 3 version is better than the medium weight Block 52 jet. are the F-16s only relegated to be used for parades and Afghanistan?

rant aside .. what are the repercussions? banning from red flag? no spare parts? economic blockade or American embargo? is there no chance to re-negotiate and get concessions on this restriction?

 

[BlueMarlin]

question for everyone who knows the PAF and those who can make educated guesses and know bits about diplomacy and foreign relations...



our agreements and contracts from the past with USA and our current geopolitical standing....

why shouldn't Pakistan start fielding its F-16s against Chinese jets in its war exercises? India has no such restriction over the use of its American hardware.


fielding Pakistani F-16s against Chinese Flanker derivatives will give Pakistan great opportunity to train its one of the most numerous (70+ examples) jets against the Indian most numerous jets SU 30 MKI.

what is the reality and current status of those restrictions? buying anything from Americans is out of question now and our most advanced block 50s can be serviced by the Turks. Americans know well that we will and have used the F-16s since we don't have enough J-10s against the Indians and expecting us not to use our weapons is a folly. it is very cute and patriotic to think that a lighter JF-17 even in its block 3 version is better than the medium weight Block 52 jet. are the F-16s only relegated to be used for parades and Afghanistan?

rant aside .. what are the repercussions? banning from red flag? no spare parts? economic blockade or American embargo? is there no chance to re-negotiate and get concessions on this restriction?

does it really matter f-16 cant be used in china for exercises? i dont think soo

it terms of capability the j10 is superior and a good example of this is was its role last year, not on the front line.

f16v's are avaliable but the question of how would they work in a multi domain environments is the better question, and the answer to that is not very well.

the f16 can be serviced to an extent by the turks but it still requires the oem's input especially around the engines as the turks have gef110 engines and pakistan the pwf100.

more j10's will naturally come in as more rafales are delivered. the current stock is sufficent for pakistan current's needs to counter the current inventory of indian jets.

the block 3 jf-17 can do things the f16's cant....

personally the f16 will lose relevance quicker than you think.

it will worry the yanks but they wont allow link17 to be implemented so that they can work in the modern air war-fair environments

 

[Oscar]

question for everyone who knows the PAF and those who can make educated guesses and know bits about diplomacy and foreign relations...



our agreements and contracts from the past with USA and our current geopolitical standing....

why shouldn't Pakistan start fielding its F-16s against Chinese jets in its war exercises? India has no such restriction over the use of its American hardware.


fielding Pakistani F-16s against Chinese Flanker derivatives will give Pakistan great opportunity to train its one of the most numerous (70+ examples) jets against the Indian most numerous jets SU 30 MKI.

what is the reality and current status of those restrictions? buying anything from Americans is out of question now and our most advanced block 50s can be serviced by the Turks. Americans know well that we will and have used the F-16s since we don't have enough J-10s against the Indians and expecting us not to use our weapons is a folly. it is very cute and patriotic to think that a lighter JF-17 even in its block 3 version is better than the medium weight Block 52 jet. are the F-16s only relegated to be used for parades and Afghanistan?

rant aside .. what are the repercussions? banning from red flag? no spare parts? economic blockade or American embargo? is there no chance to re-negotiate and get concessions on this restriction?

If the Indians have been fielding against F-16 through the Singaporeans and others - so have you through the Chinese and others of Su-30.

But the Indians fly the MKis differently just as how the PAF flies F-16 different to all.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If the Indians have been fielding against F-16 through the Singaporeans and others - so have you through the Chinese and others of Su-30.

But the Indians fly the MKis differently just as how the PAF flies F-16 different to all.

indeed. the F-16s from NATO countries are different from the rest of the world and ours are different from Koreans and Middle Eastern ones.
uyes we find a workaround to address the restriction like simulations but nothign beats the real thing (or very close like for like example) and it will be gold if our own F-16s can train against closest SU-30 examples Americans have an agressor squadren of F-A 18 Hornets immitating Mig 29s and even have similar pain scheme bt still their flying is different ..and they ahve found solutions for sure (they exercise with Indians as well)

..for PAF, Maybe Malaysian airfoce? I wonder if Americans will object to that with same intensity? they fly SU-30s and Hornets as well.

since there are only 1 squadren of J-10c and F-16s still form tip of our airforce so it wouldve been great that our F-16 polots got the chance to exercise with Russian origin frontline jets. if this has now all become irrelevant then maybe we need to go back to Americans and tell them to lift these restrictions on F-16s.

 

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indeed. the F-16s from NATO countries are different from the rest of the world and ours are different from Koreans and Middle Eastern ones.
uyes we find a workaround to address the restriction like simulations but nothign beats the real thing (or very close like for like example) and it will be gold if our own F-16s can train against closest SU-30 examples Americans have an agressor squadren of F-A 18 Hornets immitating Mig 29s and even have similar pain scheme bt still their flying is different ..and they ahve found solutions for sure (they exercise with Indians as well)

..for PAF, Maybe Malaysian airfoce? I wonder if Americans will object to that with same intensity? they fly SU-30s and Hornets as well.

since there are only 1 squadren of J-10c and F-16s still form tip of our airforce so it wouldve been great that our F-16 polots got the chance to exercise with Russian origin frontline jets. if this has now all become irrelevant then maybe we need to go back to Americans and tell them to lift these restrictions on F-16s.

indians Rafale’s are currently exercising with the RMAF as we speak.
That relationship is much deeper than Pakistan can achieve

 

[BlueMarlin]

indians Rafale’s are currently exercising with the RMAF as we speak.
That relationship is much deeper than Pakistan can achieve

depends on what’s defined as relationship. air exercises don’t exactly make you exclusive.

the indians are known for doing this all the time in multiple different counties. best not to think too much about it. if not next they’d be rumors of the ordering the brahmos and the tejas.

the Chinese are in the eygpt doesnt make there relationship deep. there site a muppet state but who now knows is behind the strings.