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ThoroughPro said:
It is absolutely possible and no one is going to share the "how" side of it here for very obvious reasons and that info is then complemented by the eyes in the sky and humint assets on the ground and none of this info will be shared either. PAF gave the specific numbers, its now on IAF to deny them by showing those jets in flyable condition or shut the F up and accept the losses.
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What is sure is that PAF won the information battle against IAF.
Don't expect any answer from IAF.
But it is not an answer to my question. You may say "A rafale was hit" because you know the signature of a Rafale, but how to say 'it is the BSxyz' ?
 
Raider 21 said:
c'est pas mieux que d'essayer avec le français quebecois pour moi.......beaucoup de rigoles pour nos canadiennes qui en part avec francais avec les anglophones
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Par contre ton français à toi, même québécois, est médiocre.
 
BonPlan said:
What is sure is that PAF won the information battle against IAF.
Don't expect any answer from IAF.
But it is not an answer to my question. You may say "A rafale was hit" because you know the signature of a Rafale, but how to say 'it is the BSxyz' ?
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No, no one globally expects any information from the IAF, that is always the case when one side takes an almighty pounding.

Now let me put it very clear to you my Indian friend.

PAF has officially stated 4 serial numbers of Rafale jets it downed. Do you understand the significance of this? I suspect you may well do but it hurts to confront a reality here.

PAF is officially stating 4 specific planes of IAF no longer exist. It is not just giving numbers, it is giving exact serial numbers.

One very easy way for IAF now to win the information war you are claiming Pakistan has won. Very easy way. Even you can figure it out Rakesh, so why not go to the IAF CAS (If you can drag him out the mess bar and away from his whiskey) and ask....
 
BonPlan said:
What is sure is that PAF won the information battle against IAF.
Don't expect any answer from IAF.
But it is not an answer to my question. You may say "A rafale was hit" because you know the signature of a Rafale, but how to say 'it is the BSxyz' ?
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He already answered this u poor coping Indian but same as the truth of how badly India got humiliated, u don’t want to see or believe & nobody can make u.
 
Hakikat ve Hikmet said:
A good answer to your inquiry is given by Selchuk Bayraktar (it's dubbed in English). His motto is simple: offense is the best defense. No amount of AD is enough. Your survivability lies in your unbounded ability to offense with an infinite capacity to absorb pains. Even when the Ottoman Empire was going down a one-third of its male folks embraced Shahadat...

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This is actually very important for countries with limited strategic depth. Look at Israel, it projects power far beyond its borders as a means of offsetting its non existent strategic depth. The PAF has traditionally adopted this approach in previous conflicts, but took a little more defensive posture this time in my view, although it perhaps used other domains to project offensive operations like cyber and EW.
 
BonPlan said:
If it was so ineffective, how to explain some PL-15 were found ON the ground intact ?
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Based on your criteria and knowledge, PAF did not destroy the PAF Rafale fighter.
Because in your perception, this is also an intact Rafale fighter.
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The IAF successfully intercepted a PAF PL-15E air-to-air missile using a Rafale fighter jet. Then, the IAF Rafale fighter jet landed intact in Indian territory.

Very good!
Please continue!
 
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BonPlan said:
What is sure is that PAF won the information battle against IAF.
Don't expect any answer from IAF.
But it is not an answer to my question. You may say "A rafale was hit" because you know the signature of a Rafale, but how to say 'it is the BSxyz' ?
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Pakistan has the four serial numbers of the shot down Rafales because Indian airforce and government know this information. Their fighters were shot down, do you really think IAF and Indian government don't know?

This means hundreds if not thousands of Indian IAF and government employees within the Indian department of defense know and out of these hundreds if not thousands of employees, some sell the information or leak it. Some could be spies for Pakistan. You just need one person to give the confirmation of serial numbers.

The above is a sure way. There are other ways. BS001 is confirmed via video and photograph. AI cannot fake photographs to realistic level like this. Try AI image generation and you'll see it produces cartoons only and highly obvious "real" images. You can say it's photoshopped but it's video and screencap from video. There are so many iterations of it until that video got scrubbed and buried by Indian government but there are still some with it and sharing it online. The other BS serial numbers could have been from other on the ground visual sources that didn't make it to twitter but did make it to some people.

There's literally a thousand ways Pakistan could have gotten the serial numbers.

Now India could simply deny this and prove it and embarrass Pakistan since Pakistan has basically officially announced Indian fighter serial numbers shot down. India could show all 36 Rafales. The problem is they would have to borrow some from France or quickly buy some more because they have at most 32 Rafales ready to show. There could be a few that were damaged.
 
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I think this proves Barnala got fked quiet thoroughly
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Indian Logic: (usually manifested by @Raj-Hindustani @Vkdindian1 and others)


IAF had already decided to improve infra. details at the AFB!

yeah, they could but why infra. work at this specific point, which is claimed by your adversary?!

infra. improvement work that too with tarps only at those specific points?!!


no openness, no evidence... right!
 
Think it like this for the other 3 Rafales:

If it was not for that indian soldier making the video about the Mig-29 Wreckage in Ramban, we would never have known about it visually (confirmation). There is a high chance no media evidence was leaked from the other 3 Rafale sites. The other 3 aircraft evidences came from relatively populated areas (Akhnoor, Pampore, Bhatinda). So do 2 + 2
 
Yasser76 said:
He knows, but thinks trolling threads can make him feel better, it will just make his cope harder.
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What Indians don’t seem to understand is that what they believe, want to believe or Godi media told them doesn’t matter. This article is published in the world’s best selling military aviation magazine with online version too. What are military enthusiasts/ proffessionals around the world going to do as they read it? Believe it’s content or read up on coping Indians crying foul & start taking that into account? It’s yet another significant nail in the coffin of politically motivated, ill conceived & incompetently executed Operation Sindoor which badly backfired on India. Months later they are still desperately grappling around trying to salvage some semblance of dignity.
 
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