Pakistan and Kuwait discuss expanded defence pact, sources say

[Watandar]

Rent-a-state policies continue.

 

[r3alist]

Rent-a-state policies continue.

This is not policy it is opportunity, national security is for many countries a marketplace, and Kuwait is a buyer and Pakistan is a provider.

Seems like it's pretty logical in that sense, what actually materializes we don't really know yet.


If the civilian government and infrastructure and institutions in Pakistan get their act together then why wouldn't economic transaction similarly happen

 

[030292]

Yankees probably pushing the arabs behind the scenes to have defensive agreements with pakistan so that pakistan becomes legally bound to fight their wars across the region.

 

[Watandar]

This is not policy it is opportunity, national security is for many countries a marketplace, and Kuwait is a buyer and Pakistan is a provider.

Seems like it's pretty logical in that sense, what actually materializes we don't really know yet.


If the civilian government and infrastructure and institutions in Pakistan get their act together then why wouldn't economic transaction similarly happen

This will simply re-inforce the mindset in Pakistan that looks abroad for money inflows and not in developing the country itself. Worse, it drags Pakistan into wars that do not involve it. Pakistan wisely stayed out of the Iran-GCC war in the 1980's. It should limit its involvement in this one to its current mediation efforts.

The non-stop conflict in Afghanistan since 1980 and the enormous costs it has imposed on Pakistan should be a good lesson for Pakistani policymakers not to get involved in other people's fights, despite the perceived "opportunities". This is especially the case when you already face a seven times larger adversary in India.

You want to sell training, weapons and security-related services to the GCC, fine but don't sign up to fight for them.

Any pact also needs to be shared with the people of Pakistan and debated and ratified in Parliament.

 

[r3alist]

Yankees probably pushing the arabs behind the scenes to have defensive agreements with pakistan so that pakistan becomes legally bound to fight their wars across the region.

What legal binding are you referring to?

Your exaggerated language gives you away.......

If it's the case that the Americans want to leave the region and they need whatever is available to help facilitate this, are you now saying you want the Americans to remain?

It's all good then I guess if the Americans are fighting those wars , huh

 

[Watandar]

What legal binding are you referring to?

Your exaggerated language gives you away.......

If it's the case that the Americans want to leave the region and they need whatever is available to help facilitate this, are you now saying you want the Americans to remain?

It's all good then I guess if the Americans are fighting those wars , huh

Americans are going to leave the region and hand over all those hundreds of billions in annual security-related earnings to Pakistan ? Get real.

 

[RocketLaw]

Sorry Pointless. No discussions at all.

Pakistan should AVOID Middle East crisis and shouldn't participate to assist Zionist Arabs which are extremely lazy, unreliable and coward.

These Arab countries must prove that they can protect Lebanon and Gaza themselves first or not.

 

[r3alist]

Americans are going to leave the region and hand over all those hundreds of billions in annual security-related earnings to Pakistan ? Get real.

Where did I say they will hand over hundreds of billions?

Credibility failure when you need to exaggerate to make your argument


But obviously obviously there is a confluence of circumstance which means from being not so relevant Pakistan can be much more influential, the world is a connected place, no nation is their own complete Island


And that's to Pakistan's benefit, to the benefit of the Pakistan China relationship, and it's so happens with some faction of American power there is alignment,


The Americans also use cars, you should therefore stop using any car, please

 

[El Sidd]

Kuwait is most welcome to join after a 19 year waiting period. Pakistan would be delighted to have Kuwaitis in the arrangement in 2046. Pinky and her promises are taken quite seriously in Pakistan.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Yankees probably pushing the arabs behind the scenes to have defensive agreements with pakistan so that pakistan becomes legally bound to fight their wars across the region.

Using that logic, why can't the US just pressure Pakistan into fighting "their wars across the region"?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into recognising Israel?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into giving up it's nuclear weapons program?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into abandoning CPEC?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into recognising Kashmir as Indian territory?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into picking a fight with the Chinese in support of Xinjiang?

Why? Why? Why?

Stop drinking so much Irani and Imrani mootar all the time. It's not safe.

Respect your country, your flag and your people.

 

[030292]

Using that logic, why can't the US just pressure Pakistan into fighting "their wars across the region"?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into recognising Israel?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into giving up it's nuclear weapons program?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into abandoning CPEC?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into recognising Kashmir as Indian territory?

Why can't they pressure Pakistan into picking a fight with the Chinese in support of Xinjiang?

Why? Why? Why?

Stop drinking so much Irani and Imrani mootar all the time. It's not safe.

Respect your country, your flag and your people.

Dont give a fcuk about imran or any political party for that matter, just expressing my opinions on a public pakistani forum.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Kuwait is being battered and defence pact with Pakistan will save their skin. In return Kuwait can give more work visas to Pakistanis, $5bn deposit, investments etc

Win win for both

But but what about war against Iran if it comes to that? Then so be it. You take risks to get somewhere. With current lot you see on PDF, Pakistan would never have developed nukes.

Its a defence pact, Kuwait doesn't threaten Iran. If mad mullahs cannot fight Israel but would instead bomb one of our pact allies then its clear these mullahs have little respect for Pakistan. In that case all out war against Iran will be justified.

 

[r3alist]

Kuwait is being battered and defence pact with Pakistan will save their skin. In return Kuwait can give more work visas to Pakistanis, $5bn deposit, investments etc

Win win for both

But but what about war against Iran if it comes to that? Then so be it. You take risks to get somewhere. With current lot you see on PDF, Pakistan would never have developed nukes.

In reality it's probably a signal to iran that there should be no automatic assumption that regional countries can indefinitely take the cost quietly.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The arrangement with Saudi is and should remain unique, and what Pakistan should be doing is attempting to create a security framework for the whole of the middle east that is along the lines of NATO where all the countries have to agree to change their conduct towards each other and adopt a one for all policy at a framework level to protect each other.

The double dealing of the Arab states, put Pakistan into a vulnerable position and I still question if Saudi's knew upfront about the attack on Iran, and if they decided to trap Pakistan inside a security framework that early in light of that knowledge.

There has been some talks between Türkiye, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi and Pakistan and this core forum should form the senior members of a new NATO like framework.

As to whether can include all the members of the Arab League + Turkieye + Iran + Pakistan or needs a smaller grouping

The current situation of Saudi Arabia being actively involved in a war against Iran, by providing bases, airspace and logistical support services for forces attacking Iran and then insisting that Pakistan "protect" it if Iran decides to escalate to go after those very installations, is not ideal for Pakistan and Pakistan should not really get into this situation again. Kuwait is being attacked for a reason, and that is its conduct against Iran militarily.

@Watandar - what do you think about renaming the thread to : "Middle East Security Framework News and Discussions" ?

To me, at least this is a much broader topic and i think we should discuss it as such and the Mods should pin it as well ?