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Considering the track record of the Mi-17 vis a vi Crashes, and how much these kinds of crashes can impact not just the lives of servicemen, morale if troops in general, but also operations and an overall strategy potentially going sideways (remember black hawk down), Pakistan needs to start looking for a replacement that is affordable but that also prioritizes crash survival. Also considering plans to perhaps shift to domestic production alongside the Saudis and getting in early enough with a rising partner, Pakistan should consider joint production of the Turkish medium (T-625) and heavy (T-925) transport helicopter projects.View attachment 201293
Namaz Janaza for Shuhada, who embraced Shahadat yesterday in tragic MI-17 helicopter crash in Muzaffarabad, was offered today at Chaklala Garrison, Rawalpindi which was attended by the Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif, Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir, NI (M), HJ, COAS & CDF and others.
If PAA is sensible, they won’t opt for Turkish options when Leonardo is available; , Procure more AW-139s for troop transport, given their abundant availability in the second-hand market, sooner rather then later all those 412s are going as well, PAF already has an MRO for 139s, most sensible purchase.Considering the track record of the Mi-17 vis a vi Crashes, and how much these kinds of crashes can impact not just the lives of servicemen, morale if troops in general, but also operations and an overall strategy potentially going sideways (remember black hawk down), Pakistan needs to start looking for a replacement that is affordable but that also prioritizes crash survival. Also considering plans to perhaps shift to domestic production alongside the Saudis and getting in early enough with a rising partner, Pakistan should consider joint production of the Turkish medium (T-625) and heavy (T-925) transport helicopter projects.
Phased in of course, as the Mi-17 age out.
Use of similar engines on the Mi-17 and T-925 should make the transition easier.
These crashes, in peacetime, seem like such a preventable problem. Regardless of what one feels about any leadership, military or civilian, but losing leadership especially, is very disruptive to the operations of the state.
Fair point, especially with the MRO facility and availability of used -139s available. Thanks for the heads up.If PAA is sensible, they won’t opt for Turkish options when Leonardo is available; , Procure more AW-139s for troop transport, given their abundant availability in the second-hand market, sooner rather then later all those 412s are going as well, PAF already has an MRO for 139s, most sensible purchase.
PAF and PAA would have commonality which could force the PN to get these as well to replace aging WS-61s
I completely disagree with your point of view. In fact, I believe your viewpoint contains serious bias.Considering the track record of the Mi-17 vis a vi Crashes, and how much these kinds of crashes can impact not just the lives of servicemen, morale if troops in general, but also operations and an overall strategy potentially going sideways (remember black hawk down), Pakistan needs to start looking for a replacement that is affordable but that also prioritizes crash survival. Also considering plans to perhaps shift to domestic production alongside the Saudis and getting in early enough with a rising partner, Pakistan should consider joint production of the Turkish medium (T-625) and heavy (T-925) transport helicopter projects.
No doubt it is a cost effective platform, but a focus on flight safety is also something we see in the Russian follow on to the Mi-17; the Mi-38.I completely disagree with your point of view. In fact, I believe your viewpoint contains serious bias.
The Mi-17 series helicopter is the most widely used helicopter in the world. In a comprehensive evaluation of economic cost, space utilization, environmental adaptability, and operational support, it surpasses any other helicopter in the world. No other helicopter can compare.
People often only focus on its crashes, deliberately ignoring many other factors. Its situation is similar to that of the Toyota pickup truck. But almost no one criticizes the Toyota pickup truck. This is a classic example of bias.
The key requirement incorporated in the design of Mi-38 is the guarantee of the maximum flight safety. The helicopter layout, the size and number of emergency exists, emergency exits through large windows, energy-attenuating seats and landing gear, the main rotor transmission’s ability to work for half an hour without oil, triplication of the pilot hydraulic system and impact-indestructible fuel system enforce the most stringent requirements of international aircraft safety standards.
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