Pakistan Army Small Arms

[jamal18]

You mean type 56

This might makes sense for CT operations in the West but against India they are eventually going to have to bite the bullet and get a new rifle.

Indian procurement is very incompetent but their infantry will have modern rifles with scopes.

For example a infantry man with a 4-6x sight can comfortably hit a man sized target at 600meters or more.

A infantry man with Iron sights can only effectively see a target at 200-250 meters.

It means that a Indian infantry section will be able to engage a Pakistani section at more double the range.

A new rifle without an optical sight is impossible. Much can be gained by fitting the existing G-3's with an optical sight.
Hitting a man at 600 metres with a 7.62*51 Nato cartridge will make his eyes water.

 

[Metal 0-1]

Agreed, SOCOM does have a better budget than regular infantry units.

I just get annoyed that Big Army wants to cling to a caliber that is 100+ years old when there are better options out there. I swear, when Gen. MacArthur was Army COS, he set the Army back and they've never really recovered. And that logic held when the debate around the NATO standard cartridge was going on.

5.56 Hypervelocity rounds sound promising. M4 design is at its peak now.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

CTD Karachi

 

[ThoroughPro]

Not trying to jinx it but we finally might get a new rifle soon.

Why invest billions in a system that will not decide the outcome of the war? invest in war winning systems, not in battle winning weapons

 

[Toxic]

Why invest billions in a system that will not decide the outcome of the war? invest in war winning systems, not in battle winning weapons

Then why did the military invest in the G3 in first place back in the 60s and 70s should have just kept using Lee Enfields.

 

[Zarvan]

Let me ask you something, have you ever seen a officer ranked brigadier or above live in anything but absolute opulence? Now look at that and tell me this is a military with no money to buy new rifles.

Also rifle programs are not a one and done thing, they are decade long program so the cost is spread out over that decade, let's say a rifle program costs 600m for 600k soldiers, that in reality comes out to maybe 60mil per year if the program takes a decade.

Of course this is a oversimplification but you get the point

I would have believed you if we were not buying VT 4, SH 15, MRAP, APC, Air Defense, Helicopters, Drones of all types, and several other systems.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Riddle me this:

Why did PA not adapt the FAL?

 

[Toxic]

Riddle me this:

Why did PA not adapt the FAL?

AFAIK it was used in Small Numbers but I don't know maybe It had something to with Germans offering a better deal with the licensed and local production side of things who knows.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Cost is the major issue here, PA really wanted the CZ Bren for example it out performed every other rifle in trials but it was deemed too expensive, mind you it would have likely cost 1300usd per rifle, something like the SR 25 costs 3x that, there's zero chance it gets fielded in any role besides as a DMR for Special forces

Army will probably go for some local copy of the Sig 716 as a standard issue rifle that it can buy for under a $1000 + also as a section marksman rifle.

It didn't outperformed Scar-H.

 

[RescueRanger]

Riddle me this:

Why did PA not adapt the FAL?

Pakistan did certainly use the FN-FAL these were in very limited quantities speaking to , although the introduction of the G3 pretty much became the standard issue. Early years Pakistan had the Lee-Enfield (Royal Arms Factory - later produced in Pakistan at POF), we also had a limited number of M1 Grande and Carbines which were provided by the US.

Post 1965 and 1971 due to the task of raising and equipping new divisions, PA introduced the Chinese SMG 7.62 and the HK G3 produced under license by POF. Modern introductions are varied as you can tell from this thread ranging from the Hk33 and M4 et.al.

Future platforms being considered include the PK-21

 

[Bilal]

Pakistan did certainly use the FN-FAL these were in very limited quantities speaking to , although the introduction of the G3 pretty much became the standard issue. Early years Pakistan had the Lee-Enfield (Royal Arms Factory - later produced in Pakistan at POF), we also had a limited number of M1 Grande and Carbines which were provided by the US.

Post 1965 and 1971 due to the task of raising and equipping new divisions, PA introduced the Chinese SMG 7.62 and the HK G3 produced under license by POF. Modern introductions are varied as you can tell from this thread ranging from the Hk33 and M4 et.al.

Future platforms being considered include the PK-21
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There is an MODP report line item about a gas operated rifle development if I remember correctly.