Pakistan has a Problem | Quwa Group - My Counter Thoughts

[Yasser76]

The real issue from Pak side is working capital. Not enough of practically everything-missiles, drones, bombs, even basic stuff like jet fuel, lubes and spares. Not because of any incompetence or lack of planning by Pak military top brass- which is excellent- but simple lack of economic muscle to back up such stock.

The previous COAS Mir Bajwa had pointed out as much.

Regards

@Bratva @arslank01 @Rationalist @mythbuster

Wrong as usual, 18 of 20 J-10CEs were up in the air, that is an availability rate of 90%, SU-30MKI hovers at a 50% availability rate (probably worse now due to Russia/Ukraine war).

IAF Phalcon played no role, while we have Erieyes up 24/7.

Also, we never sent MIG-21s to get shot down by F-16s. Talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight....

Any more BS posting today or is that it?

 

[Waz]

As per ISPR, it was an A2G missile that hit initial PAF bases on the night of the 9th. Then who was launching these missiles?
If the IAF was grounded for two days, then the PAF should have freely dominated the skies for those two days. But I didn’t see the PAF doing anything on the 9th or 10th of May.

We have already discussed this, you were deep inside your own territory. I'm not carrying on from the other poster.
What do you mean 'dominate the skies', Pakistani skies were clear and you were at least 200km away from your own borders.
Like I told you before discuss it on the other thread. Your last post here.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Yasser76

Not sure whether you got what I was trying to say. Going by the quality of your posts, I guess the answer is no.

Wrong as usual, 18 of 20 J-10CEs were up in the air,

It was only Day 4, right? What if the skirmish went on for say 15 days?

Regards

 

[Yasser76]

@Yasser76

Not sure whether you got what I was trying to say. Going by the quality of your posts, I guess the answer is no.

Wrong as usual, 18 of 20 J-10CEs were up in the air,

It was only Day 4, right? What if the skirmish went on for say 15 days?

Regards

What if my Uncle was actually may aunty?

What ifs are the basis of most arguments by Indian here. What if PAF carried on with a 6-0 kill ratio?
What if, what if , what if.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Yasser76

What if PAF carried on with a 6-0 kill ratio?

Well, it couldn't because IAF wouldnt be flying its jets in your kill range

Regards

 

[the vicious kind]

I am sick of the BrahMos Hype . BrahMost isn’t some silver bullet. India fired 40 to 50 of them, and what’s the outcome? A few damaged hangars? Not a single high-value target taken out. Zero.

Yeah, it’s fast—but it turns like a 16-wheeler ( cant do effective midcourse correction). And it’s been jammed, spoofed, and even shot down. There are plenty of images showing the wreckage, and even a video of one slamming into an empty field outside Lahore. So let’s not pretend it was some game-changing weapon. The hype doesn’t match the results.

Why would Brahmos be a threat to China. The Chinese already have something far superior than the Brahmos , its called CJ-100 CM (DF-100). Its faster ( Hypersonic) and has a bigger range and better navigation.


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[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

so how much will a war for 30 days between India and pak will cost for both countries (not losses but expenses)

enough to break 7 sister states, cause split between Jammu (China will take over the rest) and Pakistan Azaad Kashmir and giving birth to Khalistan...

lets hope this never happens though!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

On the 7th, our strikes were aimed at militant targets, not meant to engage the military directly. And we did that without even conducting SEAD, against a professional air force armed to the teeth which led to some hardware losses.

The next day, when we began SEAD operations, the PAF was nowhere to be seen for the next three days. Apart from 7th May, the PAF didn’t even lock on anything.

I don’t know what you think we stopped. All I saw was every single target being hit with impunity some with Olympic-level accuracy.
If our objective was to destroy the PAF, we wouldn’t have stopped at just 18 BrahMos missiles we have a stockpile of 1,800.

okay, since you have already won, why bother to comment...
dont show up here, please do us a favour!
we already know, what you have told us before, many times:

1. 11 bases destroyed—entire command and control structure taken down!
2. Multiple runways obliterated.
3. 2 AWACS eliminated.
4. 8 F-16 Block 52 jets downed.
5. C-130J aircraft destroyed.
6. 15 BrahMos missiles fired with pinpoint accuracy…"**

 

[mythbuster]

I would highly recommend it. Well worth watching or actually listening to it.

I watched it , got bored after 15 minutes.......no earth shaking revelations and no tangible solutions.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

But really and truly, this didnt change the conclusion of the situation at all.

It may have lead to a shift in doctrine, but the end result would have been the same.

The reality is downing of aircraft is relatively trivial, its expected, thats why these things exist. We have known the PAF has always been a tactically superior force, but celebrating stuff like aircraft kills really drags down the professional image of the force, thank god we did not do what we did for swift retort again.

Us harping on about Indian aircraft and potentially Indian Airforce being skittish would have been great- but really, what value would it bring? Being critical is important because it leads to improvement, patting ourselves on the back, ignoring the fire around us will let us get burnt however.

If 6-0 is trivial then why India waited a month to confirm? From evidence we have India failed to destroy any Pakistani aircraft and airbases damage was minimum.

They had all the reason to destroy airbases and assets with in. So they failed in their objective and agreed with Trump ceasefire. A ceasefire which is deeply humiliating to them as not only Trump cannot stop reminding them but now also Indian opposition.

India go back with 6-0 including 3 rafale that will never fly again. 90% chance of S400 radar being taken out. And all they have to show is some damage on Airbase hangar that didnt prevent PAF aircrafts to take off.

So my humble guess is that with brahmos they wanted to destroy PAF assets on ground. I know for a fact that just before ceasefire they fired at Kamra base but were intercepted. Basically India failed here in their objective.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

I watched it , got bored after 15 minutes.......no earth shaking revelations and no tangible solutions.

Maybe it's not for you then brother. I like that sort of detailed information.

 

[Yasser76]

@Yasser76

What if PAF carried on with a 6-0 kill ratio?

Well, it couldn't because IAF wouldnt be flying its jets in your kill range

Regards

Great, so you are admitting after that IAF would never dare get in range of PAF, so in fact PAF acheived air superiority?

Wow!

 

[Rebirth]

Pakistan has Babur cruise missiles,
but they did not use them.

You are comparing Apples with Oranges.

 

[Yasser76]

On the 7th, our strikes were aimed at militant targets, not meant to engage the military directly. And we did that without even conducting SEAD, against a professional air force armed to the teeth which led to some hardware losses.

The next day, when we began SEAD operations, the PAF was nowhere to be seen for the next three days. Apart from 7th May, the PAF didn’t even lock on anything.

I don’t know what you think we stopped. All I saw was every single target being hit with impunity some with Olympic-level accuracy.
If our objective was to destroy the PAF, we wouldn’t have stopped at just 18 BrahMos missiles we have a stockpile of 1,800.

Yeah, funny thing Pakistan, unfortunately also has a stock pile.

No Barbur or Raads were used, we did not even bother to bring our A game to the show

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Yasser76

so in fact PAF acheived air superiority?

Yes, of course. But that didnt prevent its airbases from getting roasted, did it?

Regards