Pakistan has a Problem | Quwa Group - My Counter Thoughts

[Ak01]

I went back to listening to the podcast. And these were the additional couple of thoughts. One being exactly what you pointed:

1/ MALD type decoys but multi platform launch-able. Land, sea, air.

2/ you touched upon a very important aspect. Data. We need to develop supersonic/high supersonic target(s) to emulate the threat to develop systems and tactics.

bingo- we're never really going to be able to test and validate without being able to emulate the threat. I dont know if theres anything out there able to replicate the high supersonic performance of BrahMos.

Perhaps we could develop something with the OEM of the CX-3 missile, using the missile as the basis

 

[mythbuster]

So here is a request to the army and installed government;

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CJ-100 cruise missile, MACH 5 with 1,200 mile range.

Hazaroonh khawahishainh aisee k her khawahish per dum niklay .

 

[Ak01]

Bro , I am talking about future conflict......hosla Rakh himat na har .

but this isnt the first time BrahMos has been fired and hit deep inside pak, it was the second- so what i want to know is why no love was given

 

[Bilal]

Perhaps we could develop something with the OEM of the CX-3 missile, using the missile as the basis

A simplified version maybe. With all the unnecessary systems removed for a target role, to make it cost effective. Just emulating a certain flight profile.

This will help develop counters to it and train our troops and to develop tactics.

 

[Jinn Baba]

The bottom line is Pakistani stocks of stand off missiles namely cruise missiles were limited hence no real reply back to the weapons India sent in.
This needs an urgent look at i.e. factories need to start building them and in large numbers. Plenty of options lie with China and with Turkey, but something with very high speed is needed and a f*ck off large warhead.
I said it from day one I was disappointed with the response from the land forces. Delays, indecisiveness and the probable lack of stocks gave the Indian military a freer hand which they used well.

Yes! And something with enough range to hit targets near or in major Indian cities.

The general Indian population needs to SEE and FEEL war for them to fear it, or this cycle will repeat every few years.

 

[Surya2023]

so how much will a war for 30 days between India and pak will cost for both countries (not losses but expenses)

 

[Ak01]

A simplified version maybe. With all the unnecessary systems removed for a target role, to make it cost effective. Just emulating a certain flight profile.

This will help develop counters to it and train our troops and to develop tactics.

yep, basically just telemetry and proulsion, gut the rest

 

[mythbuster]

A simplified version maybe. With all the unnecessary systems removed for a target role, to make it cost effective. Just emulating a certain flight profile.

This will help develop counters to it and train our troops and to develop tactics.

The other route might be developing a system in-house. A bottom up approach that eventually can be used as technology development for a full blown cruise missile in that category.

Why not rocket artillery ? ..... it's even cheaper, much cheaper

 

[Bilal]

Why not rocket artillery ? ..... it's even cheaper, much cheaper

The trajectory/flight profile is completely different.

You may want to add basic autopilot to carry out pre programmed maneuvers to better emulate the threat.

 

[Yasser76]

Yes, I think Quwa has changed, it used to be a good way of reading about Pak mil and related developments by collating info from various sources, much of it was quite technical too.
Understandably to appeal to wider subscription/userbase base it is worth adding an some element of "analysis" or opinion. Issue is to be credible here it is worth having contributers who are military or ex militayr or access to such people. Otherwise it just becomes as valuable as some of the posts here, many of which offer just as much, if not more insight.
Healthy sceptism is good and we need to question ourselves to improve, 100%, but to do that for the sake of it seems a tad desperate

 

[mythbuster]

but this isnt the first time BrahMos has been fired and hit deep inside pak, it was the second- so what i want to know is why no love was given

You are getting into semantics of attack.....do you really consider the first one as a real attack .

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Just finished watching the second episode.

Very good insight. Really appreciate the time taken to do the research and provide us with such great analysis that I just don't find anywhere else on YouTube.

Other analysts usually repeat the mantra that Pakistan is great, Pakistani military is great and Pakistan and it's military will always be great. That's somehow is supposed to be analysis. So this has been a welcome relief.

I prefer the analysis done by Quwa Group which hides our strengths and focusses on dealing with our shortcomings.

Thanks brothers Bilal, @arslank01 and Haseeb, @Quwa

By the way, which one of you brothers is Haseeb on this forum.

 

[mythbuster]

The trajectory/flight profile is completely different.

You may want to add basic autopilot to carry out pre programmed maneuvers to better emulate the threat.

With auto pilot pre programmed maneuvers , I am not sure how much cost effectiveness can be achieved.

 

[Ak01]

You are getting into semantics of attack.....do you really consider the first one as a real attack .

i consider it the wake up call.

They tracked it the entire time, very well too.

Watched it enter our airspace, continued tracking.

Tried to fire- id hope, but im assuming they just couldnt

watched it fly deep into our airspace and land.




So my question is, they had the data and knew what to look for, had years to prepare- what was done?

 

[Bilal]

With auto pilot pre programmed maneuvers , I am not sure how much cost effectiveness can be achieved.

More cost effective than a full blown system.