Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[ety]

So now India gov is refuting that Trump brokered the ceasefire. Guess Modi doesn't want to be seen as a junior of Trump, but India is a superpower.

Governemnt says ceasefire agreement with Pakistan was struck without mediation

Ceasefire between India and Pakistan brokered by US, sparking controversy and international involvement for regional peace.

www.thehindu.com

 

[Baadil]

whatever

Bro I think it’s considered not the correct thread for criticism. You are absolutely right that Pakistan must learn from its mistakes, no reasonable person would disagree. Just maybe separate thread that’s all and also sensitivities to criticism are naturally high for some people at the moment. Your analysis would be greatly appreciated insha’Allah

 

[Meengla]

The victory of small gains over great losses is still a victory; do not let the Indians dictate terms to Pakistan, let them know what unity and strength mean.

The guy you are quoting is probably one more Pakistanis too deeply in love with his political alliance to give any credit to the Pakistani military. I can detect such people and their carefully worded political posts. My own younger brother in Karachi said something like 'This maybe the Pakistani military's plan' to get the public support. And such fools are fully supported by the Indians in the blogspace: Their target is the same, but goals are different.

 

[Psyko70]

I am absolutely grateful to the armed forces in the way they responded, alhamdolillah. We never boasted and yet we hit back harder. I have had the fortune/misfortune of seeing Pakistan's conflicts since the 70s with India. Never in my mind did I anticipate that in a war Pakistan would not be taking damage. However, it is Pakistan's aggressive actions in the face of such interdiction that one has to laud the armed forces. They did what they said they were going to do and NOBODY can take that away from us Pakistanis Alhamdolillah.

One should also take note that no amount of strikes on static air fields etc. can take away from the absolute air dominance in the air. Indians in the air were operating from the absolute envelope of their stand-off weapons (Scalp etc.) to get these strikes in and each time they carried out such strikes, it was with an intense concern about eating another PL-15/AMRAAM in the process from the Pakistani kill chain. However, they were able to get these strikes in and kudos to them but they ate more than they delivered.

Pakistan could launch so much more heat because we did not employ the entire F-16 fleet in the ground interdiction role. The ability of the F-16s to hit ground targets is unmatched in the entire sub-continent except perhaps by the Rafale (MKI can carry payload but it has been found far too vulnerable to come close to Pakistani air space). PAF probably "expended" less than ~10% of its offensive air power in this conflict. Yes, on the defensive we had numbers in the air but they were not used to bring impact on the ground.

Of note, the precision SSMs on both sides proved the efficacy of these systems. While the limelight on our side is on the PAF, we mustn't forget the impact that the Fateh precision attack SSMs had in this conflict. Where used, they had devastating impact. One should also realize that any questions, over these years with all the talk about the weapons tests by Pakistan, were laid to rest as Pakistan used these systems in anger to good effect.

Very many lessons for our armed forces to internalize but I have confidence because we will evolve our defensive posture as we always have. The recent conflict proves that our armed forces are absolutely professional, staying current, testing and training hard for future conflicts. And the future integration of offensive and defensive capabilities will be even more cohesive (with full support from our friends). There should be absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind about this including that bastard Modi and his coterie. His options are very limited in the future despite all the hubris and tough talk as seen in that clown Jaishankar's tweet.

About the future, 1965 ended in favor of both but indians took advantage of 1971. 6 years later. For me pakistan armed forces should now arm to teeth for next 6 years could be anything india throw at us in next 6 years. Im no saint but next 6 years I have feeling they will attack in surprise.

To me india is like evil character of disney movie who just wants to see Pakistan burn.

 

[F86 Saber]

i just don’t understand what pain in the a** they come up with such things.

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PAF probably got a couple hits in, credit to their Chinese BVRs. But India wasn’t aiming for a fight with the PAF. The mission was simple, hit specific terror camps, not escalate into a full military clash. Once Pakistan responded, India replied. That’s basic escalation logic.

The Rafale getting hit? Sure, embarrassing. But from India’s point of view, this was a first, striking deep inside Pakistan proper, not just Pakistan Azaad Kashmir. And it wasn’t some military dictatorship ordering it.

What stands out is how selective India was. Looks like only camps with confirmed intel were hit. Probably to avoid unnecessary escalation. But since Pakistan seemed more focused on claiming an airforce 'win’ than worrying about a few terror camps, India could’ve easily gone for the probable ones too.

And let’s be honest, hitting major Pakistani bases didn’t seem all that hard. India probably chose not to go for the overkill, deliberately holding back to avoid pushing things further.

Meanwhile, back home, the rest of India apart from the border states barely flinched. It was mostly something to discuss over chai. We were literally finalizing the UK trade deal at the same time — arguing over whisky tariffs and visa quotas for yoga instructors. That’s the advantage of scale.

Still, credit where it's due, the boys at PAF held their nerve, got their moment, and gave their press team something to work with. Can’t fault them for making the most of it.

This is not my first post, I have been a member of Defence.pk since early 2000s but somehow had to reregister as I had stopped posting after Covid.

This is a BS post, if aim was only to target "Terrorist Camps" then what was the reason for Drone swarm the next day? Pakistan still showed restraint and did not counter, but India then targeted our Air bases.
You basically kept poking Pakistan until we had to respond.
You say India deliberately held back on attacking our main bases, this is also incorrect. You tried to hit not only all of our fwd bases, you also hit RYK and Sukkur airports which are basically civilian airports. Trust me, that was escalation enough. Thank your stars that Modi went for the ceasefire otherwise you "Rest of India" was not out of our reach.
My analysis is that, something happened on the late afternoon of 10th May which made Modi accept the ceasefire agreement. Lets see if we can a clue of what that was from DGISPR's presser

 

[pashtunkoum]

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Thank you. This is completely unrelated to irans “Fateh” correct?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Their whole ideology had changed recently to ask for rights not independence.
Many of us ordinary. People. And non Baloch like me were interacting with them online and we did argue with them a lot.

These were the Actual Baloch based in UAE or Pakistan.

But those accounts run by Shankar lal Tiwari Baloch can say what they want on twitter.

Lols days are numbered as per M.I only 500 plus people ....decimated with brute force.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

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[White Privilege]

Lets wait for the ISPR presser coming up

When is it?

 

[Blain2]

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Indian's entire south has to be brought in the range of our tactical SSMs.
There is only one conclusion that Pakistan needs to draw for the Indian side. Any attempts by them to launch a conventional strike on our mainland/Pakistani citizens in the future will evoke such a strong and immediate devastating response, that a nuclear conflict will become inevitable.

 

[TopGun786]

@vasanthm if you must know one thing know that I personally know of some of the places India initially striked and that not only are they not terrorist hideouts they are literally regular civilian populated areas. And guess what civilians died that I can personally put you in touch with their families.

So when you say they hit “sure” targets have some shame. If you are proud of hitting civilians then that’s your choice but know this that India did not hit all terrorist targets and for one such target I can personally vouch for the rest I’m listening to my friends and colleagues

what they targeted in some cases are mosques that may be loosely affiliated to some organization that funded it or India doesn’t like. That is not a terrorist hideout

It’s like if I claim doud Ibrahim funded a building in Delhi where civilians work and I destroy it

Your government is playin with you and you guys are the terrorists killing civilians

I am from Kotli, Azad Kashmir and I can personally confirm only civilians were hit here.
4 out of 5 casualties were people to whom I knew personally or thorough some friends/relatives. No connection to any organization or something similar.
Infact 3 were just students.
India just attacked randomly on Mosques and civilian homes.

 

[pashtunkoum]

I hope that Aurangzeb Chad is on the press conference

Also isn’t it funny 400 years later Aurangzeb still trolling India

 

[Psyko70]

This is not my first post, I have been a member of Defence.pk since early 2000s but somehow had to reregister as I had stopped posting after Covid.

This is a BS post, if aim was only to target "Terrorist Camps" then what was the reason for Drone swarm the next day? Pakistan still showed restraint and did not counter, but India then targeted our Air bases.
You basically kept poking Pakistan until we had to respond.
You say India deliberately held back on attacking our main bases, this is also incorrect. You tried to hit not only all of our fwd bases, you also hit RYK and Sukkur airports which are basically civilian airports. Trust me, that was escalation enough. Thank your stars that Modi went for the ceasefire otherwise you "Rest of India" was not out of our reach.
My analysis is that, something happened on the late afternoon of 10th May which made Modi accept the ceasefire agreement. Lets see if we can a clue of what that was from DGISPR's presser

Were you in defence.pk ? I remember one account as sabre

 

[Abid123]

When is it?

20:00 PST. Cant find it on youtube?

 

[LeonBlack08]

For some people who prefer to accept the enemy narrative - watch this for a few seconds.

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[Indian Air Marshal AK Bharti's response when pressed on losses - listen to his response].

aqal ke nakhun lo... Don't comment on things beyond your remit. There is a reason there is a chain of command and an authority who sanitise and present information.

That right there is acceptance that India had losses. Just need to read between the lines.

Hopefully the noise pollution from hindutvas are going to go down. A relief for the rest of the world! Thank you PAF!