Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

That's what I'm saying. They don't know the concept of "*****" in the first place. The majority don't know about Indian behavior or that Pakistan isn't a "terrorist State". They haven't gone beyond the news articles.

I was in the very late 2000s and very early 2010s supposedly slightly pro-Indian. Then I started interacting with Indians on Facebook. You see where I stand now.

Yeah, Indians on SM are the very worst ambassadors for their country. The educated ones in the West in tech, law, finance are often very bright and do well. Tragically not many of them on this forum
 
Erdogan keep shooting his mouth off about Kashmir, that's why :D
China, "shot their mouth off on Kashmir" on Article 370 also . I guess Xi Jinping needed another swing ride with the Vishwaguru. 🤣🤣 We are too darn scared of China even to officially call the Chinese ambassador to MFA and register a protest against the Chinese statement of "Iron Brother" support for Pakistan, right in the middle of a hot war shooting missiles at each other.
Options of India on Turkey?
Fun fact: In 2024, Turkey saw a record-breaking 52.6 million foreign tourists visit the country, Number of tourists from India were only 326,000 (approximately).
So what else is on the table? Ban overflights? . Cuts both ways
 
right now, Pakistan ignores the F35. If the Indians do get it, then how long will it be before ISI gets all the technical data and secrets from India ? No one can keep anything secure in the India context. When Pakistan does get that technical data, Pakistan will share it with China. There will be no restrictions on doing that as Pakistan has not signed on to protect any intellectual property of the F35.

6-12 months max before ISI honeytrap someone with F-35 access.
 
There's been no supporting evidence from the Pak military about what damage the Fataah I missiles did in India, and the S400 strike has some grainy low res satellite pics. Where's the pics of Indian air bases hit? The Indians managed to hit at least a couple of Pak radars and flatten a hanger at a PAF airbase.

Plenty of pics, but yeah, PAF ones are "grainy" and IAF ones "very clear". Believe whatever you want.
 
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Here we see laid a bare the true anxiety of the Indian strategic thinker, how do we get the most out of the USA, whilst being able to kind of accuse or gaslight The Americans on being trustworthy or not.

You would think, listing to this sort of dichotomy that India was USA, and USA was India

Absolutely right. Jaishanker has also had to go on record to deny any cessation of Indian tariffs on US products because of the domestic media storm on this very issue. India has been forced to posture in this bizarre and embarrassing manner because of their dependency on multiple external nations for their weaponry, with none of those nations - barring perhaps Israel - prepared to sell those weapons without numerous strings attached.

The biggest headache for planners will be deciding whether to wean off Russian or American procurement, as both nations' most sensitive products functioning together in a single integrated military would not seem to be possible, both for security reasons and in terms of compatibility.
 
right now, Pakistan ignores the F35. If the Indians do get it, then how long will it be before ISI gets all the technical data and secrets from India ? No one can keep anything secure in the India context. When Pakistan does get that technical data, Pakistan will share it with China. There will be no restrictions on doing that as Pakistan has not signed on to protect any intellectual property of the F35.
Yes, its the Rafale story all over again, F35s tech would be open to so many countries who have direct or indirect military relations with Pakistan. The bottom line is that India is getting their stuff from US/Russia, who also supply the same stuff to "friends of India's enemy".

With Pakistan, there is no such issue. Pakistan either makes its own stuff, or buys from China/Tukey who mostly supply "friends of Pakistan", other than Pakistan, or share the non-export versions with Pakistan.

Not saying this because I'm a Pakistani, but Pakistan really beat India royally, in the military strategic outlook. India just throws money to solve its problems, Pakistan makes real chess moves to waste it all up.
 
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There's been no supporting evidence from the Pak military about what damage the Fataah I missiles did in India, and the S400 strike has some grainy low res satellite pics. Where's the pics of Indian air bases hit? The Indians managed to hit at least a couple of Pak radars and flatten a hanger at a PAF airbase.

The problem is Pakistan sat images were taken from low quality youtube stream. They didn't upload high resolution ones on internet.

India restrict access to military installation so private sats images you saw next day were all from Pakistan. India is going all the way to hide their losses. You only do that when you have something to hide.
 
China, "shot their mouth off on Kashmir" on Article 370 also . I guess Xi Jinping needed another swing ride with the Vishwaguru. 🤣🤣 We are too darn scared of China even to officially call the Chinese ambassador to MFA and register a protest against the Chinese statement of "Iron Brother" support for Pakistan, right in the middle of a hot war shooting missiles at each other.
Options of India on Turkey?
Fun fact: In 2024, Turkey saw a record-breaking 52.6 million foreign tourists visit the country, Number of tourists from India were only 326,000 (approximately).
So what else is on the table? Ban overflights? . Cuts both ways
It makes a difference when an Ummah member sides with Pak, which then makes it a dharm-yuddh ka matter !

These GCC folk that way are very nice, our friends the Emiratis and the Saudis.

Iran bhi mostly chup rehta hai but sometimes lets out a stinker, but that's probably because we frenz with The Entity.

Zeopoltix...
 
Few bad apples, not like some Greeks don't rape as well.
Look,they might be a few bad apples there,there were plenty here. There was a thread on the old forum,if I start posting screenshots and lists of cases here we'll go off topic. Just trust me on this.
 
Plenty of pics, but yeah, PAF ones are "grainy" and IAF ones "very clear". Believe whatever you want.

PAF are taken from low quality youtube stream. Images of Pakistan airbase damage are from private sats brough by NYT. Same NYT which said India restricted private SAT access to Indian military installations.
 
You can tell your friend since 20 percent of Pakistan is destroyed, those Pakistanis staying illegally in Greece will never go back.
No it was supposedly "20% of PAF"
 

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