Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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The thread has turned into self aggrandisation.

Doesn't it kinda remind you of some places in your own corner...

and (comment section).

Look..., you guys believe that Karachi is still burning & that ya'll took over Lahore Port. Its okay..., you guys shot down an F-16 & have a Viper Driver.

You guys have your corner, we have ours.

 

[Zorawar Light Tank]

Indian mistakes were made on day one. It was nothing else than pathetic for them to loose those aircraft.
This thread is full of that. It has been also accepted by non-bhakts.

However, no one wants to talk about Pak failures. Everything was at it’s finest.
All the attacks were successful and all the weapons found there mark while all Indian weapons fell in open fields or buildings that were empty or hangars that had nothing inside or runways that were repaired in no time.

The thread has turned into self aggrandisation.

The mistake made by the Indian Air Force on the first day was not a tactical failure, but a policy-level issue. They were instructed not to target military installations, and air defense systems are military targets

 

[Vkdindian1]

Self aggrandisement was started by you particularly and it continues.

Negative.

I was the first poster with Indian flag to accept shortcomings for Indian side. Self aggranisation doesn’t mean that.

I do agree that few analysts have looked at failures form your side. But they are very few.

There are few analysts who have put up nice analysis rather than self aggrandising. One such example https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...a-group-my-counter-thoughts.23438/post-725525

 

[Fatman17]

Doesn't it kinda remind you of some places in your own corner...

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Look..., you guys believe that Karachi is still burning & that ya'll took over Lahore Port. Its okay..., you guys shot down an F-16 & have a Viper Driver.

You guys have your corner, we have ours.

Actually 8 F-16s block "58" 4 JF-17s and 1 C130. Pak nukes obliterated and thats why we are having earthquakes in Pakistan. Really.

 

[Abdul q]

Because that would have caused escalation not warranted by anyone. Attacking highest military and political leaders is done only when one is ready for a full scale war.

10 Kms away is more than enough to drive home the point about capability if required. The same can’t be said for Pakistan.
Apart from tall claims on this forum and desperate attempts to link death of soldiers there is no proof of success of ground attacks.

In simple terms ‘scared’

 

[Fatman17]

Negative.

I was the first poster with Indian flag to accept shortcomings for Indian side. Self aggranisation doesn’t mean that.

I do agree that few analysts have looked at failures form your side. But they are very few.

We have 20+ TV channels of note you have 400 +

 

[Vapnope]

The premise that Pakistan was being cautious and careful is nothing more than BS.
Now claiming that next time we would do this or that is also meaningless.

You continue to contradict you earlier statements everyday. One day you say both sides showed restraint and the next day you say the opposite. I am not sure what game are you trying to play here.

Like i said before since 2016, Pakistan response has been changing and each time Pakistan escalated a little further despite saying we are just defending.

Let me ask you this, do you think India has deterred Pakistan and now Pakistan will take dictation from India? If the answer is yes, i would say we will come back to this discussion really soon. If your answer is No, then you ask your side what was the use of 3 attacks since 2016.

 

[mythbuster]

Probably because Pakistan isn't a pushover like some of the others - and it also helps that Pakistan is Nuclear.

Par challo, tou ajaa.

Its an open invitation for you. Just pick the city of you choice. I have friends all around. Beef Nihari & Tikkas are prepared.

You Game...

Be careful ....he is under the protection of Bollywood warriors .

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Op Sindoor is the first battle in India’s two-front war. A vicious pawn in a King’s Gambit

The Chinese use Pakistan as a cheap instrument to triangulate India between them. It is safer to presume that the Chinese now see Pakistan as an extension of their Western Theatre Command.

theprint.in

Why Shekar Gupta is worried about Chinese weapons when India won the war and Pakistan was humiliated? I mean his article soon after 10th may declared India clear victor. India intercepted all Fatah rockets but somehow Poonch was turned in to mini Gaza.

And no Shekar g, Pakistan didn't fire any cruise/ballistic missile. Maybe couple of CM400 from JF17 to hit S400 if you count that. Fatah are rockets, cannot call them missiles.

 

[Vkdindian1]

Let me ask you this, do you think India has deterred Pakistan and now Pakistan will take dictation from India?

It was not expected any time. Even before any military action happened and many members here were baying for blood, I had said the same thing - If India strikes, Pakistan would retaliate and escalate.
The problem with fanboys is that, they don’t read. They decide and give verdicts at the very moment.

 

[Meengla]

However, no one wants to talk about Pak failures. Everything was at it’s finest.
All the attacks were successful and all the weapons found there mark while all Indian weapons fell in open fields or buildings that were empty or hangars that had nothing inside or runways that were repaired in no time.

As I said before, if I were an Indian then I wouldn't gloat too much about your missiles striking Pakistan. You had many advantages of economy, geography, and the number of military hardware and you crossed certain lines by using your top of the line missiles to strike Pakistan. But still you didn't do major damage to Pakistani airbases. Believe me: Pakistan has too many people who'd spill the beans about losses in Pakistan and Pakistan has a fairly open media. It is not North Korea or China.
Anyway, if you Indians really think you came out ahead or even 50/50 then you are deluded. Really deluded. The war of perception is very important and the global perception is that Pakistan came out ahead from the Four Day War. And, as I see it, a new Pakistan is being born with more investment, more allies, and stronger military.

 

[Master Chief]

"All the pilots are safe "
IAF

If you are referring to Air Marshal Bharti's statement in the press conference following the aerial engagement, he actually said:

"We are in a combat scenario and losses are part of combat. However, we have achieved all our objectives and all our pilots are back home,"

He never said they were "safe", nor did he clarify the condition they were in (dead vs alive vs injured).

Not one member of India's brave and free press community asked for the obvious clarification that was needed. 1.5 billion bit their collective tongue.

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistan is the only South Asian country where India intervenes militarily. India has never carried out military interventions in Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Myanmar, or Bhutan.

India is the only country in the WORLD which deserves a gold medal for not being able to shoot down a single combat aircraft for over 50 years (weather baloons don't count) yet has managed to lose every type of front line jet in it's inventory.
Also it has the distinction of being first to ruin the reputation of Dassault Rafales, SU-30s and Mirage-2000 as none of these are known to have been ever shot down in combat before .
MiG-21 has already been turned into flying coffins while IAF has also managed to crash over 60 Jaguars without once firing in anger.
I guess that leaves Tejas...oh well , its probably the best stealth aircraft as it's hardly visible... even on Republic Day .

 

[Vapnope]

It was not expected any time. Even before any military action happened and many members here were baying for blood, I had said the same thing - If India strikes, Pakistan would retaliate and escalate.
The problem with fanboys is that, they don’t read. They decide and give verdicts at the very moment.

So why Pakistan has not been deterred? I mean as per you there hasn't been any success to Pakistan on ground, 5 planes don't mean a thing to India and India was able to attack Pakistani installations with impunity while Pakistan cannot attack back the same way. So how come deterrence has not been established by India?

 

[Vkdindian1]

We have 20+ TV channels of note you have 400 +

Most of these 400+ broadcast comedy shows in the name of news. But we still have a couple of channels that have the courage to say a few words against the government.
Out of your 20+, currently not even one can say a single word questioning any action of the establishment.

Thats the biggest difference.