Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Liquidator]

Problem is that israel faced so many threats and is already there, kicking the a** of all the neighbors and even Iran.
Israel will remain there for thousand years.

Woz this you?

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No matter your full support, zionosts think cow worshipers like you are scum. Time for you to understand that....

You probably won't watch it so enjoy this screen shot

 

[NA71]

Thank you for the perspective and moderating reply. Hope more members agree with the sobering reality you've laid out (for both countries)

Read again his post....."On Paper"....

 

[Yasser76]

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Don't laugh at the objective though.

This is actually good.

IAF planes are now suffering major fatigue. PAF made extensive use of new airframes like JF-17C and J-10C.

IAF has been flogging their Jaguar fleet (50 years old) and MIG-29/M2K fleets (40 years old) very hard in operations against Pak and on border with China. From what I know these have all had upgrades but no airframe fatigue life treatment.

This is going to put more stress on frames and shorten airframe life as well as more pressure on tired pilots already demoralised (and IAF is short of pilots)

Expect more flying accidents, especially in hottest time of year for underpowered Jaguars....

All so Indian public has a distraction

 

[Yasser76]

You can't.
You only "scored" first night thanks to India saying when they want to stricke. Things were different the 3 other days.

Ah yes, the "warning" no one ever seems to have any proof for, cope harder Indian

 

[Corax]

Or according to Indian perspective, Pakistan will understand that solution of Kashmir is not through "bleeding India with a thousand cuts". It will reign in the terrorists (there is "someone" providing arms and trainings - in India civilians don't carry AKs so clearly coming from outside). Better sense will prevail, Pakistan will give up its design on Kashmir (esp. as gap between India and Pakistan grows) and "sue" for better relations.

Might be far fetched, but many in India believe that Pakistan will eventually think of its people's welfare which can accelerate leaps and bounds if relations improve and trade opens up. An Made in India car or bike selling in Pakistan, fresh produce from India, Kesar being sold in India etc. etc.

For this to happen, Pakistan should take an unambiguous and consistent approach to terrorists and terrorism. This is not to say India is "doodh ka dhula" - though I don't have enough facts/figures - India might be supporting elements that widen the fissures in Pakistani society. All I can say (unequivocally) is that no terrorists against Pakistan are being trained or armed in India while same can't be said about Pakistan.

Its a longer debate and I don't think India or Pakistan are saints... but somewhere somehow people will have to recognize that you can't solve this problem through violence

If that is what you and your politicians think in india, then I'm afraid you're more delusional than you appear. I wish you luck, you'll need it.

 

[Baibers_1260]

This is actually good.

IAF planes are now suffering major fatigue. PAF made extensive use of new airframes like JF-17C and J-10C.

IAF has been flogging their Jaguar fleet (50 years old) and MIG-29/M2K fleets (40 years old) very hard in operations against Pak and on border with China. From what I know these have all had upgrades but no airframe fatigue life treatment.

This is going to put more stress on frames and shorten airframe life as well as more pressure on tired pilots already demoralised (and IAF is short of pilots)

Expect more flying accidents, especially in hottest time of year for underpowered Jaguars....

All so Indian public has a distraction

In the light of its stellar performance Indian Defense Minister Rajnath Singh has recommended a new motto for the Indian Air Force :
The current motto Nabha Sparsham Deeptam, ( नाभा स्पर्शम दीप्तम ) Touch the Sky with Glory ! will be replaced by Bhumi Sparsham Deeptam (भूमि स्पर्श्म दीप्तम) , Touch the EARTH with Glory !

 

[maverick]

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what Pakistan has built is unbelievable despite all Indian pressure, tricks and cunniness. This India still got palm and a boot on its face.

 

[Areesh]

I don't get this panic in this thread just becaues IAF is doing some excercises in its territory

Yes IAF would want to plug its gaps(if they are competent enough to do that which I doubt heavily)

But PAF isn't exactly sleeping after 10th May 2025. Considering PAF as a professional force, I am expecting PAF to further improve itself and come up with more surprices for the next round. I am sure that is the case since PAF won't be sharing everything they are doing

Only thing we Pakistanis need to panic about is that "time and place of our choosing" and restraint BS that we heard in May 2025. If Pakistan can avoid that then I am sure jeets in uniform would get good beating once again

 

[Salza]

The main question is what is the endgame in all this?

In the middle east, the endgame being played out is the genocide of the Palestinians, eventually leading to ethnic cleansing and full annexation of the occupied territories to create greater Israel, along with weakening or eliminating any potential threat, like Iran.

In Afghanistan, despite the best efforts of the Americans, the endgame was the eventual return of the Taliban.

Unfortunately, there's no clear endgame in the indo/Pak scenario.

The indian doctrine of simply "punishing Pakistan" every time its security forces fail is deeply flawed. In 2019 it tried and failed to attack a single target in Azad Kashmir. In May 2025, it raised the stakes by attacking multiple sites in Pakistan, killing innocent women and children. The indians harp on about "testing Pakistan's threshold", but how will they raise the stakes next time? Nothing will still stop Pakistan from supporting the Kashmiri Freedom Fighters, not in 2019, and definitely not in May 2025. There will be another attack, how will the indians "punish Pakistan" next time? They'll have to raise the stakes again, ad infinitum...until you reach the threshold. See the flaw in your policy? You can try, unsuccessfully, to turn Pakistan into another Afghanistan for all its worth, it will still not stop the attacks in Kashmir.

Of course, Pakistan can't change the status quo either, that's why it has nothing to lose in continuing to support the Kashmiri Freedom Fighters, because eventually, you indians will reach the threshold.

So unless an endgame emerges, most of us on this forum will live out the rest of our days arguing about who won the latest "cricket match".

Good post .

 

[side-winder]

Air battle will not come into play from IAF .....they will avoid it ....but PAF will be on A2G and naval missions....

They would give anything to get a kill in air against PAF. They are desperate. Its hurting alot. First swift retort and now 7th may.

 

[samsite84]

If that is what you and your politicians think in india, then I'm afraid you're more delusional than you appear. I wish you luck, you'll need it.

Sure man... best of luck to you as well.

FWIW, for all the delusion that India (and Indians) have, there has been no "real" change in the ground situation for the last 40 or so years (post 1984-Siachen Operation Meghdoot). Furthermore, a countries ability to respond to aggression is built on its economy and geopolitical heft. In both these areas, India is better placed as compared to 90s. There are ups and downs every few years but overall trajectory is positive.

If all this is a sign of struggling India then yes we do need the luck...

 

[Corax]

Sure man... best of luck to you as well.

FWIW, for all the delusion that India (and Indians) have, there has been no "real" change in the ground situation for the last 40 or so years (post 1984-Siachen Operation Meghdoot). Furthermore, a countries ability to respond to aggression is built on its economy and geopolitical heft. In both these areas, India is better placed as compared to 90s. There are ups and downs every few years but overall trajectory is positive.

If all this is a sign of struggling India then yes we do need the luck...

Again with the delusion. Who mentioned anything about "economic and geopolitical" heft? The US is the only global superpower, did it help it in Afghanistan? No. Sure, continue with your delusions of grandeur, it'll hold you in good stead.

You've also literally just contradicted yourself. In the same breath you've said there's been no change on the ground in the past 40 years, yet almighty india has come leaps and bounds in its "economic and political heft".

But as I've mentioned, your "economic and political" heft won't help you against a nuclear neighbour. And that's another delusion you indians seem to have, that a nuclear exchange is somehow survivable.

 

[samsite84]

Again with the delusion. Who mentioned anything about "economic and geopolitical" heft? The US is the only global superpower, did it help it in Afghanistan? No. Sure, continue with your delusions of grandeur, it'll hold you in good stead.

False equivalence - India is not invading any foreign land, the simple point is ability to take "disproportionate losses" which most members here will agree.

And thank you for giving us the permission to "continue with our delusions of grandeur". We certainly need an ego-boost given pathetic performance in the recent conflict.

Anyways, don't see the discussion going anywhere. Ciao

 

[Waz]

You can't.
You only "scored" first night thanks to India saying when they want to stricke. Things were different the 3 other days.

Yes we can due to superior space based intelligence from Chinese Beidou satellites that you have no idea about. Every inch of Indian land and water is available for fast data imaging.
Yes things were different, the IAF retreated leaving their entire front vulnerable, and resorted to LACM and some ALCM.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

its time for naval battle now

Pakistan will use its airforce against aggressive Indian navy. Our navy can't take on Indian navy alone