Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Falcon26]

Why do you find it hard to believe? The Ukrainians have destroyed at least a dozen S-400 units, and don't need satellite pictures to prove it because the Russians are themselves forthcoming with the information ( which they balance with information on destruction of Patriots in retaliation).

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There are evidence of Ukrainian hits on Russian S-400s. Where’s your evidence?

 

[Baibers_1260]

There are evidence of Ukrainian hits on Russian S-400s. Where’s your evidence?

Already replied to that one, Russians are not afraid to admit their losses since they are winning the war and all pictures of S-400s destroyed have been provided by Russians themselves. Israelis were not afraid to show damage to Haifa and Tel Aviv from Iranian missile attacks, In the pre-satellite picture era the USA was not afraid to show devastating damage from Japanese bombing at Pearl Harbor on December 7th 1941.
India denies evidence it was hurt and then complains that no one believes it.
If India was immune to retaliatory Pakistani missile strikes then it would have continued bombing more bases in Pakistan including the commercial airports exactly the way Israel bombed Syria or bombed Iran. india wouldn't have "accepted " a ceasefire if Pakistan had "begged " for it.
Let's look at the Indian statements:
1. India claims it accomplished its mission on May 6-7th 2025
Question: So why didn't India declare a ceasefire on May 6-7th if the mission was accomplished and ask its allies for support?
2. India claims no losses of aircraft during the operation on May 6th-7th 2025
Question: If there were no Indian aircraft losses why does India condemn "Pakistani retaliation " ? So did Pakistan retaliate on May 6-7th 2025
3. India claims Pakistan retaliation was ineffective and 100% of Pakistan's missiles were stopped and "not a single pane of glass was broken "
If "not a single pane of glass was broken", why were there funerals and condolences for ground crew killed on Indian Air
Force Bases
4. India claims 100% destruction of Pakistan's Air Defenses and complete destruction of 10 airfields and air bases along with 8 Pakistani aircraft, ( only 8 ? ) So only 8 aircraft was lost when 10 airbases were demolished? If Pakistani Air Defenses were destroyed why didn't Indian aircraft fly into Pakistani airspace to conduct strikes, similar to the way Israeli Air Force planes were flying in Iranian airspace and bombing. After May 6-7th Why were strikes on Pakistan made using only Brahmos missiles.

5. India claims Pakistan "begged " for a ceasefire. Why did India agree to the ceasefire when the capacity (as per India) of Pakistan to conduct further terrorist attacks remained. The November 10th attacks occurred in Delhi and India didn't name Pakistan.

 

[lightoftruth]

Apparently an Indian journalist, under freedom of information right, asked about the Rafale tail numbers provided by PAF and he was told to shut up. The Indians are definitely hiding something

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Military info under RTI is exempt under section 24.

Next what - no of nukes India has ?

 

[Sam6536]

Apparently an Indian journalist, under freedom of information right, asked about the Rafale tail numbers provided by PAF and he was told to shut up. The Indians are definitely hiding something

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RTI is aimed towards bureucratic transparency and efficiency. Military and national security stuff is exempted.

For example I can file a RTI as to where my university is allocating funds and under what tender process or ask for stats on any government policy.

 

[Falcon26]

RTI is aimed towards bureucratic transparency and efficiency. Military and national security stuff is exempted.

For example I can file a RTI as to where my university is allocating funds and under what tender process or ask for stats on any government policy.

Why can’t India show the specific tail numbers claimed by Pakistan? Especially after footage of downed jets and their military chief’s “some planes were shot down” revelation in Singapore?

PAF won in the air and totally shut down the IAF to submission.

The Indian army and rocket forces won on the ground by accurately targeting Pakistani bases.

This is the objective their party neutral nonpartisan truth.

 

[falcon34]

Simple.

Because PAF doesn’t have any as no serious damage was inflicted on Indian bases. Pakistan relied on primitive and easy to shoot Fatah rockets while India used each of its advanced missiles to reasonably good outcome.

I don't know about any other but I am 100% sure about Barnala and bhuj.
The heavy tarps on Barnala and earthworks surrounding it, points to massive damage.
Bhuj is worse the silent from India. They've tried to debunk every claim of pak yet they never talk about bhuj, what's more troubling is we've never seen sat imagery of Barnala, bhuj and Sirinagar Airforce stations
Why?, I am positive about these 3s because why would India stop if paks retaliation was that poor they could have come and done more damage if it lasted a few more days but yet they backed out why???.

 

[Areesh]

Why can’t India show the specific tail numbers claimed by Pakistan? Especially after footage of downed jets and their military chief’s “some planes were shot down” revelation in Singapore?

PAF won in the air and totally shut down the IAF to submission.

The Indian army and rocket forces won on the ground by accurately targeting Pakistani bases.

This is the objective their party neutral nonpartisan truth.

At least Pakistan forced India to discountinue Operation sindoor to the extent that a bomb got exploded right at red fort in Delhi and India didn't dare attack Pakistan for it

That in itself shows some sort of deterrence was established even though it is temporary and India would definitely try again when it thinks it is ready for it

 

[Falcon26]

At least Pakistan forced India to discountinue Operation sindoor to the extent that a bomb got exploded right at red fort in Delhi and India didn't dare attack Pakistan for it

That in itself shows some sort of deterrence was established even though it is temporary and India would definitely try again when it thinks it is ready for it

As long as your field Marshall espouses his “ maturity and restraint” lunacy, India will be emboldened to attack and to escalate. The Hindu nationalists have convinced themselves that they are more crazier than the Pakistan military and that in the event of war, the Pakistani army will not risk a serious escalation in part due to their fear of losing influence within Pakistan and its politics.

This assessment has stood correct in both 2019 and 2025. Both times, the army ensured Pakistan did not respond forcefully.

 

[Falcon26]

I don't know about any other but I am 100% sure about Barnala and bhuj.
The heavy tarps on Barnala and earthworks surrounding it, points to massive damage.
Bhuj is worse the silent from India. They've tried to debunk every claim of pak yet they never talk about bhuj, what's more troubling is we've never seen sat imagery of Barnala, bhuj and Sirinagar Airforce stations
Why?, I am positive about these 3s because why would India stop if paks retaliation was that poor they could have come and done more damage if it lasted a few more days but yet they backed out why???.

Please share reputable satellite images.

 

[Yasser76]

As long as your field Marshall espouses his “ maturity and restraint” lunacy, India will be emboldened to attack and to escalate. The Hindu nationalists have convinced themselves that they are more crazier than the Pakistan military and that in the event of war, the Pakistani army will not risk a serious escalation in part due to their fear of losing influence within Pakistan and its politics.

This assessment has stood correct in both 2019 and 2025. Both times, the army ensured Pakistan did not respond forcefully.

We did not respond forcefully> Are you on crack? Anymore force and there may have been a nuclear war. More then 8 planes and IAF would have started depleting

 

[Sam6536]

Why can’t India show the specific tail numbers claimed by Pakistan? Especially after footage of downed jets and their military chief’s “some planes were shot down” revelation in Singapore?

PAF won in the air and totally shut down the IAF to submission.

The Indian army and rocket forces won on the ground by accurately targeting Pakistani bases.

This is the objective their party neutral nonpartisan truth.

Why would IAF validate PAF's claim though? Where's the incentive to do that? They implicitly accepted some losses.

Did Pakistan validate any Indian damage? Or provide any proof (visual, satellite) for the S400 damage and other claimed hits in India? Didn't your chief say that the proof is on the social media for everyone to see?

The string of information we have is coming from the visual, satellite images and analysis by third party think tanks.

We live in a post truth society where narrative building is the most important thing.

It's accurate to say India did lost jets from the visual information available online. Also you're not wrong by saying that India performed better with it's pinpoint strikes and PAF had the initial advantage in the air.

How a broader war would've looked like is anyone's guess. That's why we have war games for.

 

[Yasser76]

Why would IAF validate PAF's claim though? Where's the incentive to do that? They implicitly accepted some losses.

Did Pakistan validate any Indian damage? Or provide any proof (visual, satellite) for the S400 damage and other claimed hits in India? Didn't your chief say that the proof is on the social media for everyone to see?

The string of information we have is coming from the visual, satellite images and analysis by third party think tanks.

We live in a post truth society where narrative building is the most important thing.

It's accurate to say India did lost jets from the visual information available online. Also you're not wrong by saying that India performed better with it's pinpoint strikes and PAF had the initial advantage in the air.

How a broader war would've looked like is anyone's guess. That's why we have war games for.

It is literally on record and video of Pakistan accepting losses, but can appreciate you are selective in what you choose to ignore and not ignore.

Right now, officially, India has not admitted any aircraft losses and the whole world has confirmed it and moved on. Can you see how stupid India looks now?

 

[Falcon26]

Why would IAF validate PAF's claim though? Where's the incentive to do that? They implicitly accepted some losses.

Did Pakistan validate any Indian damage? Or provide any proof (visual, satellite) for the S400 damage and other claimed hits in India? Didn't your chief say that the proof is on the social media for everyone to see?

The string of information we have is coming from the visual, satellite images and analysis by third party think tanks.

We live in a post truth society where narrative building is the most important thing.

It's accurate to say India lost 2-3 jets from the visual information available online. Also you're not wrong by saying that India performed better with it's pinpoint strikes and PAF had the initial advantage in the air.

How a broader war would've looked like is anyone's guess. That's why we have war games for.

You just answered your own questions: if the Indian military can accept losses of jets, why can’t they be more transparent and state the number and type? Your military chief said IAF was forced to stand down for two days in a 4 day war. That’s a massive problem. Both your political and military leadership oscillate between saying jets were lost and none were lost. Don’t the Indian people deserve to know what happened? After all, India claims to be a democracy. Also, wouldn’t India shut down Pakistan’s claims by producing the tail numbers in question and end the whole debate? Why is India so afraid to do so?

Pakistan has accepted bases were hit. They have never denied this. The rest on s-400 is nonsense the same way as India claiming multiple PAF planes were shot down. The truth is, the Indian air force was too shocked and bleeding to know what was going on, let alone shoot down anything.

Ps.

I am not a Pakistani.

 

[Falcon26]

We did not respond forcefully> Are you on crack? Anymore force and there may have been a nuclear war. More then 8 planes and IAF would have started depleting

You were firing primitive rockets knowing they will be intercepted while India was firing all its advanced standoff missiles at your bases and cities.

You fired rockets knowing it will be intercepted in order to signal to India you were only interested in symbolic retaliation and no escalation. India had no such inhibitions. So yes your response post the air war was pathetic and “maturity and restraint” rhetoric was used to hide cowardice by your GHQ & Pakistan army who undercut the strong performance of the Air Force

 

[Yasser76]

You were firing primitive rockets knowing they will be intercepted while India was firing all its advanced standoff missiles at your bases and cities.

You fired rockets knowing it will be intercepted in order to signal to India you were only interested in symbolic retaliation and no escalation. India had no such inhibitions. So yes your response post the air war was pathetic and “maturity and restraint” rhetoric was used to hide cowardice by your GHQ & Pakistan army who undercut the strong performance of the Air Force

OK, now you are just making shit up in your own head, yeah, GHQ is full of cowards. Indian won.

Talk again when you sober up