Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Bratva]

Another classic

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The classics need some criticism too. The 100 shells fired seemed a static artillery piece and your video artillery seems static too. . Indian counter artillery could've smoked them easily.

 

[maxpane]

Another classic

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best lines
Ya Allah gawah rehna

 

[rafale]

Storm Shadow ER, manufactured by MBDA in England. Fired by Indian Rafale. Jammed by Pakistan.




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Casually strolling around unexploded warhead and leftover deadly missile....only Pakis can be so indifferent to war raging around them.........guess that is a good thing.

This is why i say, no matter what the internal political differences in Pakistan, the moment bhindians cross the border on land, they are dead by the hands of local population.

 

[Bratva]

Storm Shadow ER, manufactured by MBDA in England. Fired by Indian Rafale. Jammed by Pakistan.




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@JamD @Ak01 Turbojet engine seems intact. What are the chances for reverse engineering this?

 

[maxpane]

Storm Shadow ER, manufactured by MBDA in England. Fired by Indian Rafale. Jammed by Pakistan.




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hope we can learn and build somethong better

 

[JamD]

@JamD @Ak01 Turbojet engine seems intact. What are the chances for reverse engineering this?

Small...because as far as I can tell the physical design isn't the key or secret - it is the materials and manufacturing process that allow the components to operate at higher and higher thermal and mechanical loads.

 

[F.O.X]

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i just lost 10 iq points . pls use a spoiler next time

It Goes like this .

Training-Fig4977: Was this defensive engagement by Rafales on the first night of Operation Sindoor, or was this one of the 5 kills
the S-400 got?

novl chok: One of the 6 Kills from s400

Training-Fig4977: Niceeeeee, what did it kill ?

novl chok: Rafale

 

[Musings]

Indians constantly re-write the history of wars they have fought ( and mostly lost ). The Bollywood movies are used to re-enforce their narrative.
While off topic it is interesting to compare the narrative India propagates about the wars it has fought with Pakistan and with China. The Indian narrative on the conflicts with Pakistan are well known. According to that narrative India never lost territory to Pakistan and won every single battle. The 1947-49 Kashmir war is best forgotten as is the war on the Kashmir front in 1971. The 1965 war is also a taboo subject.
The Sino-Indian wars are in a different league.
A stark example is the Galwan skirmish of June 2020. That incident was the single largest loss of troops the Indian Army suffered at the hands of the PLA since the 1967 Nathu La showdown.
Facts :

• 20 Indian soldiers including a colonel were killed by the PLA. The soldiers died from kinetic blows delivered using clubs and sticks,
• 4 Chinese soldiers were killed , Two were killed in a surprise attack by Indian troops while they slept and two died from exposure to the icy waters of the Galwan river. These soldiers were named and honored as heroes
• 110 Indian soldiers were captured and displayed by Chinese PLA troops. This was the largest surrender of Indian troops to the PLA since the 1962 war.
• The PLA returned the bodies of the Indian soldiers killed and returned the prisoners after releasing video footage of their capture.
• PLA established control over an additional 1100 sq.km of territory re-enforcing their claim to the 1959 border.

Indian version:
40 Chinese troops were killed by the Indian Army and India expelled the PLA from the Galwan valley. No bodies were displayed or returned to the PLA. There is clear satellite imagery showing newly built structures along the Pangong lake showing control of the area by the PLA. That "satellite imagery " is rarely discussed by Indian X bots.

Yet 1.45 billion Indians believe in a resounding military victory over the PLA in the Galwan valley.
The Indian propaganda against China is interesting:
Only ONE Bollywood movie has been made about the Sino-Indian conflict ( Haqeeqat 1963), and ironically that is the only Indian war movie that is somewhat accurate because it does implicitly concede an overall defeat by India. The movie depicts heroic "to the last man, last bullet" stands by Indian troops, which is quite contrary to the facts. The Chinese are depicted as scheming, ruthless and vicious and one scene shows Chinese troops molesting Ladakhi women.
Fact: China captured and retained 38,000 sq.km of territory and thousands of prisoners . No civilian casualties or atrocities have been reported and China obeyed the Geneva convention in the treatment of prisoners.

Yet after Haqeeqat no more movies have been made on the Sino-Indian conflict and for a very good reason.
While the Indian Armed forces have had the maximum humiliation and losses at the hands of the Chinese PLA, the Chinese-Indian enmity does not resonate as a generational civilizational cultural war of revenge in the psyche of the warped Hindutva mind. This despite the fact that China occupies Mount Kailash, a fact which is rarely mentioned or acknowledged by Hindutva propagandists. No Hindutva zealot talks about "liberating " Mount Kailash and avenging its desecration.
A secular Indian historian said that Indians will never view China as an enemy because the Chinese never ruled over India like the "Muslims " did regardless of the geo-political realities today. The Sino-Indian conflict does not factor in the domestic politics like the India-Pakistan conflict which is viewed by the Hindutva mindset as a war fought against Muslims, both on the external front as well as internally against Indian Muslims.

Indian bots rarely frequent Chinese forums and there are no Chinese journalists invited to the abusive screaming TV "talk shows" by Arnab Goswamy and Major Gaurav Arya.

There is no scope for logic and reason with the current twisted Hindutva mindset.
While China will never again fight a large scale war with India, the fate of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh is sealed. A devastating war of mutual destruction is imminent and inevitable.

Using AI and chat gpt is not clever or enhancing on the forum. I suggest you stop using it...............

 

[Baibers_1260]

Using AI and chat gpt is not clever or enhancing on the forum. I suggest you stop using it...............

I wrote this myself after ten edits and it took me 90 minutes to write it, , You overestimate the power of AI. I have been writing for 20 years since the Pakdef days when AI didn't exist. Thanks for the compliment !

 

[NA71]

New episode of "denial & delusion"

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[RescueRanger]

The classics need some criticism too. The 100 shells fired seemed a static artillery piece and your video artillery seems static too. . Indian counter artillery could've smoked them easily.

Meh... They get my praise, since they were the ones facing all the risk.

 

[Master Chief]

Not sure how any of this is related - the drones story makes little sense when there is an actual story of Indian troops raising alarm at Jupiter and Venus along the LAC and saying these were drones.

These days Jupiter or Capella may be making their imagination run wild.

PSLV failures arent directly linked to ICBM and rare failures for what is an organization(ISRO) with likely the best R&D record in the subcontinent.

ISRO should also be held accountable for their nation's highly educated citizens being unable to distinguish celestial bodies from drones. But alas, the eastern qom of ancient astrologers doesn't really believe in accountability.

 

[Master Chief]

I wrote this myself after ten edits and it took me 90 minutes to write it, , You overestimate the power of AI. I have been writing for 20 years since the Pakdef days when AI didn't exist. Thanks for the compliment !

Am very envious, my dear esteemed colleague. Nobody ever compares my wordsmithery to Chat GPT standards.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Am very envious, my dear esteemed colleague. Nobody ever compares my wordsmithery to Chat GPT standards.

Your wordsmithery is par excellence sir. No one can confuse your writing with ChatGPT given the elegance and careful wording.
But AI is interesting!
In fact one of my hobbies is defeating AI, getting my cues from the TV series Star Trek and it's numerous episodes. Kirk and Spock defeated AI driven computers and robots easily . Their tactics do work in real life. One thing AI is not capable of is processing "illogical statements " or commands that go beyond what it accesses in the data base. The early AI driven audio-chat bots driving answering services were my favorite targets and provided endless entertainment on my phone. Quite recently I jammed a Hindutva driven YouTube live stream, infested with Islamophobic chat bots easily. The Chatbots were brought down and the howls of the moderators rent the heavens.

 

[kimjongun]

The thing with those reddit post is exceeding a lot....