Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

They are poddels so much afraid that what papa told or say sho....they are doing exactly the same.

Its 2am in Pakistan - go to sleep your text is unintelligible

 

[Baibers_1260]

UAE is not going to become some Hindu nation - and they slap Hindutva’s around for this. But that doesn’t mean in its goal to stay pseudo secular it will sabotage relationships it sees important for the survival of the royal family.

Which means twenty years ago doing whatever they could to Sabotage Gwadar or today protecting the Royal family by aligning with the Israeli demandsz

Agree 100%. The curious part is that their "4 trillion economy partner " and its resident diaspora, whose counterparts elsewhere (in North America and Europe) are so vocal in their anti-Islam anti-Pakistan tirades are suspiciously quiet this time around, and failed to lobby a statement from the UAE directly condemning Pakistan linking it to the terrorist attacks in Kashmir.,
Going back to February 14 2019, (archives) this Gulf News special edition has numerous official tweets from various countries explicitly or implicitly condemning Pakistan .

This time? Not so much.

It is hard to explain where the UAE stands.

The UAE has links to the Kandahar based Taliban faction. Indians with selective amnesia forget the involvement of the Kandahar Taliban in the famous Indian Air Lines IC 919 hijack to Kandahar where the support to the hijackers forced India to release a few Kashmiri terrorists.

The UAE has a so called "Princess" who frequently criticizes the resident Indian diaspora for their hypocrisy which is their hatred of Islam and Muslims, while yet choosing to live and work in a Muslim majority country

 

[Maarkhoor]

Its 2am in Pakistan - go to sleep your text is unintelligible

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[Falcon26]

Off topic but can somebody recommend a book related to OGWs in kashmir or just how insurgents operate especially in south asia etc.?..mostly insurgency related books...it would be very helpful

I would recommend Spy Stories: Deep Dive into Inner Workings of RAW, ISI by Adrian Levy and Cathy Scott-Clark which details contemporary operations by both agencies in opposing country. In particular, it details the background of a former ISI agent who went rogue and engineered many terror attacks in Pakistan.

 

[NA71]

Would Pak defend UAE if they replace India with Pak?

Chances are more ...because ultimately there are some other reasons beyond economics and politics.....

Sandhu jee (sound familiar) in war scenario India takes which side Israel or UAE .......where Indians are serving as Israeli proxies in Qatar, Iran and may be in UAE.....

 

[Cash gk]

Agree 100%. The curious part is that their "4 trillion economy partner " and its resident diaspora, whose counterparts elsewhere (in North America and Europe) are so vocal in their anti-Islam anti-Pakistan tirades are suspiciously quiet this time around, and failed to lobby a statement from the UAE directly condemning Pakistan linking it to the terrorist attacks in Kashmir.,
Going back to February 14 2019, (archives) this Gulf News special edition has numerous official tweets from various countries explicitly or implicitly condemning Pakistan .

This time? Not so much.

It is hard to explain where the UAE stands.

The UAE has links to the Kandahar based Taliban faction. Indians with selective amnesia forget the involvement of the Kandahar Taliban in the famous Indian Air Lines IC 919 hijack to Kandahar where the support to the hijackers forced India to release a few Kashmiri terrorists.

The UAE has a so called "Princess" who frequently criticizes the resident Indian diaspora for their hypocrisy which is their hatred of Islam and Muslims, while yet choosing to live and work in a Muslim majority country

My understanding on their present situation with their Israeli Indian partners

1. The United Arab Emirates is in deep trouble politically and diplomatically. Its regional influence has weakened significantly over the past few years.


2. Pakistan’s strategic agreement with Saudi Arabia has fundamentally changed Pakistan’s regional position, strengthening Islamabad’s standing while marginalising rivals.


3. Saudi Arabia recently sidelined the UAE in the Yemen conflict, exposing how weak and isolated the UAE has become in key regional theatres.


4. Reports emerging from the European Union indicate that the UAE has been lobbying against Muslim interests inside European institutions, further damaging its credibility.


5. The UAE’s formal acceptance of Israel and its support during an ongoing genocide have made it deeply unpopular across the Arab and Muslim world.


6. Somalia pushed back against the UAE, exposing wrongdoing and rejecting Abu Dhabi’s interference and alignment with Israel.


7. Egyptian intelligence reportedly leaked details of UAE misconduct in Sudan and Somalia to Saudi authorities, severely undermining trust between Riyadh and Abu Dhabi.


8. Taken together, these actions have turned the UAE into a discredited and widely disliked actor in the Arab and Muslim world.


9. In many ways, the UAE’s current situation is no different from that of India today both face growing diplomatic isolation, declining moral credibility, and increasing pushback due to policies perceived as hostile to Muslim populations and regional stability.

 

[Cash gk]

I think Indians are trying to get a defense package from the UAE to compete with the way Pakistan has with Saudi Arabia and Turkey. If so then they're trying to challenge Saudi Arabia..
Keep an eye

 

[Vkdindian1]

My understanding on their present situation with their Israeli Indian partners

1. The United Arab Emirates is in deep trouble politically and diplomatically. Its regional influence has weakened significantly over the past few years.


2. Pakistan’s strategic agreement with Saudi Arabia has fundamentally changed Pakistan’s regional position, strengthening Islamabad’s standing while marginalising rivals.


3. Saudi Arabia recently sidelined the UAE in the Yemen conflict, exposing how weak and isolated the UAE has become in key regional theatres.


4. Reports emerging from the European Union indicate that the UAE has been lobbying against Muslim interests inside European institutions, further damaging its credibility.


5. The UAE’s formal acceptance of Israel and its support during an ongoing genocide have made it deeply unpopular across the Arab and Muslim world.


6. Somalia pushed back against the UAE, exposing wrongdoing and rejecting Abu Dhabi’s interference and alignment with Israel.


7. Egyptian intelligence reportedly leaked details of UAE misconduct in Sudan and Somalia to Saudi authorities, severely undermining trust between Riyadh and Abu Dhabi.


8. Taken together, these actions have turned the UAE into a discredited and widely disliked actor in the Arab and Muslim world.


9. In many ways, the UAE’s current situation is no different from that of India today both face growing diplomatic isolation, declining moral credibility, and increasing pushback due to policies perceived as hostile to Muslim populations and regional stability.

This analysis seems myopic and suffering from confirmation bias. Anyone not working to your interests can’t be always termed as going down and wrong. Thats wishful expectations.

I see a large number of Pak posters unable to digest any entity that is not doing their bidding. That nation is immediately discredited as going down in the international fora. This is more visible when that nation is from GCC.

I also see lack of clarity and objectivity while analysing own actions. Own actions are always termed as strategic masterstrokes. This is true for internal as well as external decisions by Pakistan. Looking at history since independence and where both India and Pakistan have reached, this itself should make everyone a little cautious in this regard and more pragmatic. Same goes for UAE, Qatar and Saudis.

Your assessment that UAE is losing relevance suffers from the same bias and is factually incorrect. You seem to have picked up only one side of coin to buttress your argument while turning a blind eye to the facts that indicate that UAE is a rising nation.

Let’s analyse it objectively.

Contrary to the claim of "weakened influence," the UAE has transitioned from a traditional military focused foreign policy to a soft power and economic powerhouse model. The UAE remains the primary hub for global trade (DP World) and aviation (Emirates/Etihad).

It has successfully positioned itself as a mediator, recently facilitating high stakes prisoner swaps between Russia and Ukraine and hosting COP28, showcasing its ability to convene the global community despite regional tensions.

While Saudi Arabia and Pakistan share a historic bond, the relationship is increasingly transactional. The UAE remains one of Pakistan’s largest creditors and sources of remittances. Any attempts to sideline UAE by Pakistan can be undone in one arm twist by the UAE.

The UAE’s shift in Yemen was a strategic realignment, not a sidelining. Abu Dhabi pivoted from direct kinetic involvement to supporting local proxies (like the Southern Transitional Council) to secure its maritime interests (the Bab el-Mandeb Strait). This allowed the UAE to reduce its "boots on the ground" costs while maintaining long term influence over strategic ports. This move resulted in a little anxiety, that’s all.

While the normalisation with Israel is unpopular with the "Arab street," it has provided the UAE with Strategic Depth, Access to advanced Israeli defense and water-security technology.
It has also given diplomatic leverage to the UAE. The UAE is one of the few Arab nations with a direct line to the Israeli government, which it argues is necessary for deliver aid to Gaza. It also gives them approval from the US, the current hegemony that has its own benefits.

Both UAE and India have realised that long term survival is not dependent on regional popularity contests but trade, security, and technology.

Both have been playing their cards and the exact outcome can’t be discerned so soon. It would take a little while for dust to settle down and clearer visibility.

Till then, I would be a little cautious in delivering any verdict.

 

[Cash gk]

This analysis seems myopic and suffering from confirmation bias. Anyone not working to your interests can’t be always termed as going down and wrong. Thats wishful expectations.

I see a large number of Pak posters unable to digest any entity that is not doing their bidding. That nation is immediately discredited as going down in the international fora. This is more visible when that nation is from GCC.

I also see lack of clarity and objectivity while analysing own actions. Own actions are always termed as strategic masterstrokes. This is true for internal as well as external decisions by Pakistan. Looking at history since independence and where both India and Pakistan have reached, this itself should make everyone a little cautious in this regard and more pragmatic. Same goes for UAE, Qatar and Saudis.

Your assessment that UAE is losing relevance suffers from the same bias and is factually incorrect. You seem to have picked up only one side of coin to buttress your argument while turning a blind eye to the facts that indicate that UAE is a rising nation.

Let’s analyse it objectively.

Contrary to the claim of "weakened influence," the UAE has transitioned from a traditional military focused foreign policy to a soft power and economic powerhouse model. The UAE remains the primary hub for global trade (DP World) and aviation (Emirates/Etihad).

It has successfully positioned itself as a mediator, recently facilitating high stakes prisoner swaps between Russia and Ukraine and hosting COP28, showcasing its ability to convene the global community despite regional tensions.

While Saudi Arabia and Pakistan share a historic bond, the relationship is increasingly transactional. The UAE remains one of Pakistan’s largest creditors and sources of remittances. Any attempts to sideline UAE by Pakistan can be undone in one arm twist by the UAE.

The UAE’s shift in Yemen was a strategic realignment, not a sidelining. Abu Dhabi pivoted from direct kinetic involvement to supporting local proxies (like the Southern Transitional Council) to secure its maritime interests (the Bab el-Mandeb Strait). This allowed the UAE to reduce its "boots on the ground" costs while maintaining long term influence over strategic ports. This move resulted in a little anxiety, that’s all.

While the normalisation with Israel is unpopular with the "Arab street," it has provided the UAE with Strategic Depth, Access to advanced Israeli defense and water-security technology.
It has also given diplomatic leverage to the UAE. The UAE is one of the few Arab nations with a direct line to the Israeli government, which it argues is necessary for deliver aid to Gaza. It also gives them approval from the US, the current hegemony that has its own benefits.

Both UAE and India have realised that long term survival is not dependent on regional popularity contests but trade, security, and technology.

Both have been playing their cards and the exact outcome can’t be discerned so soon. It would take a little while for dust to settle down and clearer visibility.

Till then, I would be a little cautious in delivering any verdict.

You’re repeating an old, generic response and honestly wasting time. I listed clear, recent events nearly ten concrete points and instead of addressing any one of them, you chose to question my intent and accuse me of bias. That’s not analysis.
I didn’t argue morality in abstraction. I described what actually happened, how it happened, and in what sequence. You didn’t refute a single factual development I mentioned not Yemen, not Sudan, not Somalia, not the Saudi realignment, not regional backlash. You simply dismissed them without counter evidence.
Let me be very clear:
When a country consistently stands with forces that are actively destroying the Muslim world, that country will become increasingly disliked across the Arab and Muslim world. This isn’t idealism it’s political reality in this region.
You also misunderstand the comparison with India. India today is not in a “strong” position. After its fall from Western strategic confidence, it has increasingly been seen as operationally unreliable and strategically overhyped. That perception matters. States that are proven ineffective eventually lose leverage regardless of economic size.
What the United Arab Emirates is doing now is not independent balancing. It is appeasement trying to placate Israel while presenting itself as a bridge-builder. In reality, it is Israel that draws confidence from this alignment, not the UAE. That confidence is what allows Israel to posture even against Saudi Arabia indirectly.
And this is where your analysis fails most clearly:
You don’t understand the internal power dynamics of the Arab world. Saudi Arabia is not just another GCC state. It holds religious, financial, and political gravity that no amount of trade hubs or aviation routes can substitute. When Saudi strategic tolerance shifts, smaller states adjust not the other way around.
So no this isn’t about “Pak-centric thinking” or “virtue signalling.”
It’s about regional hierarchies, legitimacy, and power realities.
You questioned my conclusions, but you didn’t dismantle my facts. Until you engage with those facts directly, calling this “bias” is just an easy escape not a rebuttal.

 

[Vkdindian1]

You don’t understand the internal power dynamics of the Arab world.

Assumption that you understand that dynamics more than themselves is taking yourself too seriously. Your assumption that UAE has no idea while you have full grip on the geopolitics of that region appears flawed and biased.

I mentioned not Yemen, not Sudan, not Somalia, not the Saudi realignment, not regional backlash.

I mentioned these because you chose to conveniently ignore all these, that indicated that UAE isn’t doing as bad as painted by you.

You want to analyse events only from the angles that buttress your arguments shows your intent.

UAE has been a rising economic power and is gradually creating a credible military too. There are clear indications of the both.

Please go ahead and ignore them to your own peril. Just remember, in the next rollover cycle for the loans, Munir may have to visit Abu Dhabi and say exactly these things.

So, Pakistan’s capability to exert any heft would remain limited till the time it survives on loan rollovers and energy import on credit. Lumping with an irrelevant UAE may be the price of that.

 

[Cash gk]

Assumption that you understand that dynamics more than themselves is taking yourself too seriously. Your assumption that UAE has no idea while you have full grip on the geopolitics of that region appears flawed and biased.
I mentioned these because you chose to conveniently ignore all these, that indicated that UAE isn’t doing as bad as painted by you.

You want to analyse events only from the angles that buttress your arguments shows your intent.

UAE has been a rising economic power and is gradually creating a credible military too. There are clear indications of the both.

Please go ahead and ignore them to your own peril. Just remember, in the next rollover cycle for the loans, Munir may have to visit Abu Dhabi and say exactly these things.

So, Pakistan’s capability to exert any heft would remain limited till the time it survives on loan rollovers and energy import on credit. Lumping with an irrelevant UAE may be the price of that.

Brother you all talking bc.
Tell me what jet fighters India is sending to UAE?. As Pakistan sent some f-16s and j17s or what jet UAE is senting to India against China and pakistan

 

[Vkdindian1]

As Pakistan sent some f-16s and j17s or what jet UAE is senting to India against China and pakistan

And do what? Fight with whom?

Let’s assume that Israel uses Saudi airspace to attack Iran. Do you think that PAF fighters would engage with them?
Anyone who thinks that is out of his mind.

Unless there is a binding treaty, no nation would fight for anyone else. Symbolic actions of sending aircraft happens all the time.

The problem with most Pakistanis is that they have started assuming a security role beyond their capabilities. They have assumed this role themselves.

 

[Cash gk]

And do what? Fight with whom?

Let’s assume that Israel uses Saudi airspace to attack Iran. Do you think that PAF fighters would engage with them?
Anyone who thinks that is out of his mind.

Unless there is a binding treaty, no nation would fight for anyone else. Symbolic actions of sending aircraft happens all the time.

The problem with most Pakistanis is that they have started assuming a security role beyond their capabilities. They have assumed this role themselves.

First of all, answer my question. You don't have an answer. That makes sense that even Indian and UAE establishments don't have an answer for that question as well. So, that makes all this agreement very weak. And about Pakistanis. They know how to deal with Israel. Don't worry.They're the only Air Force pilots who destroyed some of Israeli fighter jets in the Arab-Israeli War . Until that time you are allowed to sale some chaat masalas.

 

[Yasser76]

While the cost may be manageable for India, the inconvenience is not.

Fun times, we had two Indian employees moan about having to fly with Lufthansa to Europe now and have to do a stop over. Was hard trying to hide my smile.

 

[Yasser76]

Well, if Pak is in Saudi/Qatar camp and India is on UAEs side, this will be bad news for the Emiratis in the long term....