Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[rafale]

Actually, if you look at how they have ALWAYS awarded kills in the past - that pattern matches exactly.

S-400s fired at targets including potential false returns/weather phenomenon = S-400s hit.
C-130 seen with fire (and it took debris damage) next to it = X-130 lost
Dome damaged at 1 radar from hard kill debris (unless @side-winder knows otherwise) = 4 radars lost

Where they did get actual damage in and exaggerated from there:
Sargodha Runway damages = yes - airfield operational = also yes.
Bholari - Hangar hit - aircraft damaged now in final repairs.
Murid = Hangar with tow trucks and 1 UAV = C2 center levelled.
Sukkur = UAE Hubara Bustard facilities hit = Frontline PAF base levelled.
J'bad maintenance hangar hit with 1 tow truck and 2 pigeons nesting in roof = F-16s lost

@Oscar I noticed you have mentioned weather phenomenon multiple times in the same context with S-400s.........why is this an issue?

I mean, a modern AD system would have radars capable enough to differentiate between weather phenomenon and actual returns, no? Especially the high GHz range they operate at?

 

[rafale]

Unless the economy improves, it's like scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The enemy is 10 times stronger In economy and have a 3 times stronger military.

We can hit every corner of the enemy's land but is that cost effective? Their land mass is huge, atleast 7 times bigger and we have a limited number of arsenal to throw at the enemy.

Assuming that our soldier is better 1.5- 2 times than the enemy, but their shear number can overwhelm us turning into a battle of attrition.

The focus should be on increasing the resources to fund military expansion as soon as possible but democracy is coming In between / hindering it.

The advantage we have today maynot last forever. So we should first secure the source of our water In Kashmir first.

Simla agreement should be thrown in the dust bin if the enemy will use it to take Pakistan's water away and make us dry, without firing a bullet.

The sooner we act and reclaim Kashmir, the better.

It has always been like that................................yet the enemy embarrassed itself each time.

 

[Yasser76]

@Oscar F-16s on hold due to PAF itself or on hold due to USA?

Talking of which, does anyone actually know what 19 Sqd does at Bolhari with the 13 odd F-16ADFs there? Scramble has it down as the official F-16 OCU but how do pilots go from this

ADF Cockpit




To this

Block 52 Cockpit

 

[TheThirdFaculty]

No - everything is available and shipped as needed.
However, its now Ex-Works as a figure of speech.

What is important is that what the PAF asked for in the past can be made available but the delivery timeline along with mixed situation in US government - along with frankly mostly equivalent systems available from China(and potentially Turkey soon) is making PAF hedge its limited funds.

In years gone by you’ve had a soft spot for the US and I can’t understand why ?
Isn’t withholding the bulk of our F16 order and mothballing it in the Navada dessert only to compensate us for soya beans enough reason to see who they really are. Moments after the “cease fire” trump was rearming India there were literal rows of c17s parked on the tarmacs of the enemy .
The F-solahs are a liability yaara. We can’t really be too adventurous with it without getting a slap on the wrist.

 

[PK781]

is usa still holding the parts of f 16s? if its true then we should move away from f 16s.

Time to go full on with J10C or even European and kick the unnecessary american personnel out from Islamabad and all PAF bases.

Buy Airbus planes and ditch the Boeings in PIA too, stop giving them business.