Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[PakFactor]

Well, my friend, as they say, it’s not over till it’s over....... A passive stance is no longer an option for Pakistan, ironically, India’s own belligerence has forced Pakistan’s hand...

The establishment’s original plan (to sell Pakistan’s air superiority and downing of Rafale jets as a victory domestically) has fallen flat. India’s escalation has shattered that narrative and backed Pakistan into a corner..... as India, understandably, cannot allow Pakistan to lock in an uncontested air dominance advantage...

And now, with public pressure mounting and the military desperate to uphold Asim Munir’s iron-fisted image and tough-man persona, the decision now leans toward a sharp, calculated response.... Apparently, the only thing holding them back at the moment are their so-called Arab friends....

I've said it for many years, the Arab regimes are poison for us. They have two blackmails against us, the borrowing and the threat of sending our labor force back.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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36 on order few will be delivered ASAP.

 

[RafaleSlayer]

Expect some developments tonight or early morning tomorrow.


a shining example of an effect that bring Pakistan/PAF to a stage where, threatened by US assets, F-16 (if any) is neutralized by J-10C.

PAF is gaining strength and a feeling to fly free by a gradual reduction in reliance on US assets.

It took so long to enjoy that feeling, the fighter pilots would love.

PS: I am a diehard fan of F-16

US will not intervene in India-Pakistan conflict: VP JD Vance | The Express Tribune

His comments mark continuation of Trump ‘America First’ approach, prioritizing non-intervention in foreign disputes

tribune.com.pk

Once J35 arrive, F16's would become obsolete for front line role, they will become trainers or peace time CAP and dog fight trainers. I have been longing to see that day for many years, looks like the my dream is close to realization.

 

[Cash gk]

Well, my friend, as they say, it’s not over till it’s over....... A passive stance is no longer an option for Pakistan, ironically, India’s own belligerence has forced Pakistan’s hand...

The establishment’s original plan (to sell Pakistan’s air superiority and downing of Rafale jets as a victory domestically) has fallen flat. India’s escalation has shattered that narrative and backed Pakistan into a corner..... as
India, understandably, cannot allow Pakistan to lock in an uncontested air dominance advantage...

And now, with public pressure mounting and the military desperate to uphold Asim Munir’s iron-fisted image and tough-man persona, the decision now leans toward a sharp, calculated response.... Apparently, the only thing holding them back at the moment are their so-called Arab friends....

In the last two major conflicts, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) emerged victorious, clearly demonstrating air superiority and strategic dominance. This reflects a broader reality of modern warfare: traditional foot soldiers are losing their central role, as decisive power now lies with air forces and navies. From precision strikes to rapid response, modern battles are being shaped in the skies and at sea—where technology, speed, and intelligence outweigh sheer manpower. The PAF’s recent success against ground-based forces highlights this shift and proves that modern war belongs to those who control the air.


By time this reality will make army chief a weak person against air for chief

 

[LeGenD]

Any tech is serious on the papers until it proves itself against committed and talented adversary . It is not the Machine it is a man behind the machine Matters the most.

Let's put it this way. Machine should be very capable, the operator should also be skilled in its use. The F-35 is far more advanced and automated than Rafale F3R or virtually any 4+ gen fighter and makes it much easier for the pilot to fight and produce results with it but the pilot still need proper training to understand the machine and adapt to such a profound shift in the system. However, the US has full control over the F-35 (Case in point). Indian Air Force will not be the same again if it consider this option because the US will take charge and push for organizational reforms in this context.

 

[amuqeetk]

no, I'm good. its very cowardly to use the Quran to mask your timidness. Let me know how it worked out for the Lebanese and Iranians. How is it working out for Pakistan? Your enemy just openly bombed your country without a declaration of war and killed your civilians. And yet you lecture me about the Quran forbidding targeting innocent? News flash, they voted the rabid murderers by busload. They are cheering on the death and destruction of Muslims and here you want to spare what they did to your people? I could see why such a large country is in so bad condition. Outsiders have more respect for Pakistan's potential and power than its own people.

hmm i wasnt aware following Quran was optional. thanks for letting that up.

 

[guangdongt]

From another forum.
WORTH A READ
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*Why India’s Air Force Is Grounded—and Why It’s Afraid to Rise Again*

I began this story three days ago, but I decided to pause it for the sake of peace.
Now, I feel ready to fully engage as I see my existence is at stake—threatened by two Gujjus—and I will continue with my creative strategy.

But today I saw the whole world reporting that Modi’s empire of illusions now stands exposed, like the emperor with no clothes. The myth of invincibility, the choreography of dominance, and the Rafale-powered bravado have all crumbled in the face of one cold truth: the battlefield doesn’t lie.

His spectacle of superiority was built on borrowed tech and media muscle—not on battlefield supremacy. The silence of Indian jets, the retreat of doctrine, and the unmistakable debris scattered across Kashmir tell a different story—one of strategic paralysis and tactical emptiness. At 4:00 a.m., something extraordinary happened—not on the battlefield, but in the diplomatic shadows. China’s ambassador to Pakistan reportedly made an urgent call to Rawalpindi. Within hours, a long-prepared contingency went live. What followed wasn’t just an air skirmish—it was a revelation that shattered the myth of India’s air dominance.
The Indian Air Force had been assembling for days—nearly 180 aircraft concentrated on the western front. The goal was clear: repeat Balakot, break Pakistani defenses, and restore the image of strategic supremacy.
But the skies were no longer the same.

*Why They Stayed 300 km Away*
The Indian Air Force never crossed the threshold. They knew what waited for them beyond it:

Chinese J-10C fighters, sleek and silent
PL-15 missiles, Mach 5 hunters with over 300 km range Erieye radars, linking every shooter into a single deadly nervous system
What India saw was not just Pakistani pilots—it was China’s entire air warfare doctrine stretching from Skardu to Pasni.

And the Rafales? They never saw it coming.
One Rafale—valued at over $250 million—was reportedly shot down mid-air. Another barely made it back. The Spectra EW system, designed to protect it, was overwhelmed. The PL-15 didn’t come with radar—it came with AI-guided silence.

This wasn’t a dogfight. It was an ambush.
The Pakistani Air Force, aided by Chinese targeting satellites and AWACS, executed a sensor-fusion kill. The Rafales never got a lock, never even saw their adversary. When the missiles hit, it was already over.

And India knew: if one Rafale can fall, so can five.
That’s why the fleet was grounded. That’s why they stay 300 km away from the border. Not because they lack courage—but because they now lack certainty.

*Strategic Embarrassment* The implications are enormous. India’s prestige weapon, the Rafale, fell to a Chinese missile fired by a Pakistani jet. That’s not just a tactical failure—it’s a geopolitical message.

Even Bloomberg wrote it: this is a live demonstration of Chinese-Pakistani integrated warfare.
Western analysts are stunned. French defense contracts are rattled.
China, meanwhile, is watching quietly… and smiling.
*The Game Has Changed*

This isn’t 2019. This isn’t Balakot. India now knows that any venture into Pakistani airspace invites a death trap orchestrated by J-10Cs, PL-15s, and Pakistani resolve.

So they stay back.
Grounded by fear.
Blinded by radar.
And humiliated by silence.

“The Indian pilot didn’t fail from lack of skill.
He failed inside a battlefield he couldn’t see—
built by satellites, linked by sensors, and executed by machines.”
In May 2025, the game changed. India’s long-nurtured dream of aerial supremacy—anchored in the purchase of 36 Rafale jets, backed by the mythical Spectra EW suite and decades of French engineering—came crashing down over Kashmir.
It wasn’t a dogfight.
It wasn’t even a fair fight.

It was a doctrinal collapse, witnessed in real time by every military strategist across the globe.
The #Rafale was supposed to be untouchable. Its technology, unmatched. Its pilots, elite. But on that fateful day, it flew into a kill box it never saw. And never escaped.

*The Lethal Kill Chain*

China quietly stepped in—not in the way most Western analysts imagined.
There were no J-20s or war declarations.
There was a box. A network. A silent chain of observation and execution:

Saab Erieye AWACS patrolling silently
J-10C fighters flying in passive mode
PL-15E missiles—the export PL-15E, the domestic variant with over 300 km reach and Mach 5 speed—locked in and fired. The Rafale didn’t even know it was targeted until the missile was 50 km away.

At that speed, the Indian pilot had 9 seconds.
Not enough to react.
Not enough to survive.

*Why the IAF Is Grounded*

You don’t see the Indian Air Force over Kashmir anymore. Why?

Because every time a fighter lifts off, Pakistani radars pick it up.
Because the Erieye sees what Indian radars can’t.
Because the PL-15 launches from outside Rafale’s threat envelope.
Because the Rafale, once India’s silver bullet, has been turned into a $250 million sitting duck.
The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.
Balakot 2.0? It will not happen. Not in this sky.

*A Doctrinal Humbling*

The world is watching the fallout. Dassault Aviation’s share price remains stagnant. Chinese defense stocks—AVIC, ALD Chengdu—are surging.

Because the battlefield was not decided in a dogfight.
It was decided by *C4ISR* supremacy—Command, Control, Communication, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance.

Pakistan did not outgun India. It out-networked it.

And India, stunned, grounded its birds.
India’s Pain, Pakistan’s Message

India invested in platforms. Pakistan invested in kill chains.
Modi’s doctrine was: buy dominance.
Reality proved: you must build dominance.
No “Spectra System” can counter a missile it never detects.
No EW suite can spoof a missile fed by satellite data.
No fighter jet can outrun the death it doesn’t see coming.

*The sky has changed*.

This is not the end of air combat.

It is the beginning of silent, invisible, unanswerable air dominance.*

C4ISR，I first read this word in a magazine a long time ago, about 20 years ago. At that time, Chinese military magazines were extensively describing the benefits of C4ISR. In addition, was C4ISR used in the Kosovo War in 1999 by the US National People's Congress for large-scale actual combat? It is not new. The next era of technological information breakthrough is coming. India hasn't caught up with the latest trend yet

 

[Fasbre2]

Foregone conclusion, sharif traitors are pulling the strings on COAS to de-escalate. Calls from London and MBS.. They don’t want their properties confiscated in UK, and businesses in Saudi. Likewise if no response to India after all the 10x bluster, then assume COAS offered Raheel Sharif type position in Saudi after retirement…

Result, deterrence shattered. Indians will at will use drones, missiles and standoff munitions. Targets in mainland Pak no longer off limits… Slow war of attrition to piece by piece dismantle PADS.

They know only Pak response will be artillery along loc which they can deal with…

Until they have countermeasures for PAF capabilities, IAF ops will be outside envelope of PL15.

I sincerely hope I am wrong, but fear the above will transpire…

 

[Cash gk]

36 on order few will be delivered ASAP.

As soon as possible, when ? are they combat ready?. we don’t want their feet like Raphael they are not adjusted in Indian war doctrine properly. We saw what happened.

 

[Abdul q]

Well, my friend, as they say, it’s not over till it’s over....... A passive stance is no longer an option for Pakistan, ironically, India’s own belligerence has forced Pakistan’s hand...

The establishment’s original plan (to sell Pakistan’s air superiority and downing of Rafale jets as a victory domestically) has fallen flat. India’s escalation has shattered that narrative and backed Pakistan into a corner..... as India, understandably, cannot allow Pakistan to lock in an uncontested air dominance advantage...

And now, with public pressure mounting and the military desperate to uphold Asim Munir’s iron-fisted image and tough-man persona, the decision now leans toward a sharp, calculated response.... Apparently, the only thing holding them back at the moment are their so-called Arab friends....

Tough for public only… lol…

 

[brazensword]

36 on order few will be delivered ASAP.

Yar koi roko is bande ko. @RescueRanger

 

[colonel_yankee]

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Exposing thier own fake propaganda

 

[lightning f57]

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Front of that missile looks too short must have come off where the seeker is

 

[Azin]

If too much money and resources have made them soft and useless, time to take them away.

Till now, the ONLY saving grace of armed forces in Pakistan has been that they are strong and don't let Pakistan get bullied.

Bachay shaheed, Masajid shaheed, Missile attacks, kamikaze drones kay baad bhi agar restraint aur koi chootiya strategy wala gyaan mila to smjh jana, ye bilkul farigh hain.

Why not prioritize education and healthcare then? My home province of Balochistan literally is in ruins. Better to divert the money there.

Though retaliation should have been pre planned I am still giving them the benefit of the doubt perhaps they do something absurd with the planning that shocks the whole world in that case it's fine if they don't well we should make more schools and factories with that money.

 

[amuqeetk]

What has happened in my opinion was quite enough and visible
No need to have more city black outs or escalation

India did some moves (quite unexpected)
Pakistan (Army/Navy/Airforce) responded already (expected)

We don't need to follow path Ukraine-Russia conflict followed endless waste of resources

if the attack carried out was on some trees or forest what you have said would have worked unfortunately this time around they have killed our civillians and when we responded they again conducted drones strikes. Your logic wouldnt work here. We need to establish detterence we need to establish the pain so that indian dont even think about attacking pakistan again.