Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Signalian]

Input: 500 plus drones + brahmos + 138 aircraft (272) + 72 naval fighters and missiles...

Output: 3 phases
PHASE 1: first 20 mins of input 1000 missiles + drones + Entire Eastern Air command along with leadership and assets whipped out 25 min after the input + INS VIKRANT + industrial hub..
Ab they will give us a chance I suggest take out industrial hub before any military targets. Cities temples industrial area and ports missile the SH$T out of them to send these slums back at least 50 years in past ..

PHASE 2: Activated approximately 20 mins after the initial detection of incoming.
Delhi + GUJRAT + Jammu +
Dwarkadhish Temple, Dwarka +
Somnath Temple, Saurashtra +

Hanuman Temple, Salangpur​

Wiped out from the map ..
Gotta take out Hanuman FIRST to prove a POINT.... THIS IS NEW RAMYAN BEING WRITTEN BY PAKISTAN ARMED FORCES AND ITS SHAHEENS...
AS KRISHNA SAID FROM GOD YOU COME TO GOD YOU MUST GO BACK ... SO THE RULES ALSO APPLY TO INDIANS . YOU GUYS ARE NOT DEATH PROOF THINKING YOU GUYS LIVING IN MAHABHARATA AND GOT THE KARANA KUNDALS... FOOLISH MISTAKE MY HINDU FRIENDS... YOU BETTING ON WRONG ARJUN(MODI) HERE.

PHASE 3 : MODI BEGGING TRUMP AGAIN

Military targets are enough. Civilians visit and pray at religious sites, spare those please

 

[Signalian]

We used Armour, Regiment plus strength, here in 1965.

24th Cavalry.

 

[Aggregate]

Thank You for the summary.

Why leave the initiative with India & react only ?

We have qualitative edge, not quantitative edge over India. This qualitative edge is best applied through precise, knockoff blows by identifying enemy's core assets. For example, letting India fire through their jets so we can identify and shoot them down precisely. Or let them use S400 freely until we could pinpoint it and target it accurately, or letting them shoot Brahmos freely, but wasting them off by messing their guidance, so they fall at pointless locations, etc, etc ..

A preemptive strike needs pretty large quantitative edge and can still massively fail. For Example, India started it in May, but lost assets over at least 3 Billion USD, got their air force grounded, got their defense cover taken out and had to agree to a ceasefire. Most of all, they completely lost diplomatically as the "aggressor".

I think our policy is still pretty much the same. Let them attack and then cripple them strategically by destroying high value targets. Going in preemptively (militarily) will not achieve much for Pakistan strategically. The key is to remember that they are an 8 times larger enemy, we do have to play defensively and just give them knockoff punches at the best moments until they suffer unbearable damages and lose once more.

 

[arsalan345]

You have been watching too many defense analysis videos on Youtube

And you didn't answer the questions.

I like tweets from ali k chishti. for ttp and bla, i read tweets of farhan jaffrey.

ok so answer to your questions. There is no global nexus behind india. in may, it was but not now. what india is doing is trying to find a way to humiliate pakistan and they can go down to any level this time.

and it's military. it's always military who is taking care of our foreign policy. current political leadership has been guided well. there are gains.

and on indian topic, i actually talk to one of my friend. we graduated together. we discuss india every other day. it will be conventional. it looks like conventional. This might be their kargil moment which they will later use in negotiations. Role of indian navy is a separate topic.

you grab some land with no population and demand to hand over kashmir to you in return. tricky! you know i have been watching indian armed forces closely since musharraf era. everything now looks different and there are clear hints of escalation and a conflict going out of control.

 

[Signalian]

I like tweets from ali k chishti. for ttp and bla, i read tweets of farhan jaffrey.

ok so answer to your questions. There is no global nexus behind india. in may, it was but not now. what india is doing is trying to find a way to humiliate pakistan and they can go down to any level this time.

and it's military. it's always military who is taking care of our foreign policy. current political leadership has been guided well. there are gains.

and on indian topic, i actually talk to one of my friend. we graduated together. we discuss india every other day. it will be conventional. it looks like conventional. This might be their kargil moment which they will later use in negotiations. Role of indian navy is a separate topic.

you grab some land with no population and demand to hand over kashmir to you in return. tricky! you know i have been watching indian armed forces closely since musharraf era. everything now looks different and there are clear hints of escalation and a conflict going out of control.

I will disagree with first part, but lets come to the Indian navy.

Did you know how many Indian naval ships were deployed near Pakistani waters in 1965 conflict of Rann of Kutch ? This is important since the presence of IN now, in the same conflict, might not be the same. PN is far stronger now and so is PAF, both of which watched PA take the lead.

 

[Baibers_1260]

@gamaji

"Seven planes were shot down, seven brand new beautiful planes were shot down"

If they were brand new, they couldn't be Rafale, Mig-29 or Su-30, no?

Regards

The last batch of Rafale fighters were inducted into the Indian Air Force in December 2022. All the J-10s were inducted into the Pakistan Air Force in March 2022.
Therefore the newest aircraft "brand new" would be only the Rafale fighter jets, which is what President Trump was referring to as "7 brand new jet fighters shot down".
Agree, vintage Mig 29 and Su 30s wouldn't be classified as brand new. Pakistan however has only claimed 4 Rafale jets shot down.
@PK781 @Aggregate @Signalian

 

[gamaji]

SU30 is a majestic beast in looks. It really is a beautiful bird. Cant say the same about Mig-29 but Mirage2000 is slick beauty also, the flight of delta wings are a thrill to watch.

I meant these planes are old (i.e. Mig-29 1980s, M2K 1990s, and MKI early 2000s tech) planes and badly maintained by IAF.

 

[Aggregate]

The last batch of Rafale fighters were inducted into the Indian Air Force in December 2022. All the J-10s were inducted into the Pakistan Air Force in March 2022.
Therefore the newest aircraft "brand new" would be only the Rafale fighter jets, which is what President Trump was referring to as "7 brand new jet fighters shot down".
Agree, vintage Mig 29 and Su 30s wouldn't be classified as brand new. Pakistan however has only claimed 4 Rafale jets shot down.
@PK781 @Aggregate @Signalian

Yes .. Trump has a habit of extending words like 'superb', 'great', 'beautiful', 'shiny', 'new', etc to everything .. he most likely meant 4 new shiny Rafales and extended it to all 7 jets. Trump has also been making these claims since Pakistan's claims and far before India made any such claims. Also, it is known beyond doubt that Indian jets fell (verified internationally by the French, US and China and publications like National Interest, Reuters, etc), whole kill chains were verified, whereas there is absolutely no verification of any Pakistani jets being downed anywhere at all, which is impossible in this day and age.

Also, in his 2nd last speech where he touched the matter, Trump also said that he "does not want to end Modi's political career". Which pretty much says it all, regarding which country took the beating.

 

[PakistaniDefender]

HQ-9 is an underestimated missile system. It is modern than S-400 in terms of capability albeit shorter range but has better tracking, target identification, countermeasures and anti jamming systems.

Which HQ9 you are on about? HQ9 A, B or C??

 

[Signalian]

Which HQ9 you are on about? HQ9 A, B or C??

PAF acquired version.

 

[maverick]

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trump did it again, he is a better spokesperson than ISPR ..

 

[Raja Porus]

We used Armour, Regiment plus strength, here in 1965.

The 24 cavalry.

 

[Aggregate]

Meanwhile, China not going Easy at India: China has just completed 36 Hardened Aircraft Shelters for quick mobilization at Arunachal and Chicken's Neck. At the same time Indian media is ramping up noise about Pakistan's collaboration with Bangladesh and movements in the East, concerned about a 2 front attack from the East, while India is focused on Pakistan.

These have reportedly build in just 4 months at breakneck speed (it takes at least 2 years and in some cases upto 4 years for most countries to build them).

Why Beijing’s New Airbase Fortifications Near Tawang Are a Wake-Up Call for India?

China’s rapid militarisation along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) has once again raised alarms in India’s strategic circles.

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[Oscar]

I meant these planes are old (i.e. Mig-29 1980s, M2K 1990s, and MKI early 2000s tech) planes and badly maintained by IAF.

Based on most common estimates using CAG reports and even IDRW and other forums.
Mirage 2000: Around 50-60% operational availability due to dwindling spares support from OEM. They historically had similar availability at one point to PAF F-16s.
Jaguar: Estimated availability is roughly 40-50%
MiG-29 (including MiG-29UPG): Roughly 50% availability - being supplemented ironically by IN Mig-29Ks being "embedded" within squadrons.
Su-30MKI: Estimated operational availability is higher, around 60-70% after reforms in maintenance - which is why you are seeing them more in recent operations.

 

[hnn]

There is more talk on PL-17 and new AMRAAMs for PAF. Currently, no PAF fighter has radar range to target and fire with these missiles. Using Data link, radar range of AWACs and missiles own seeker are theoretically the avialble options. One would wish for SATCOM guidance for the A2A missile, tricky though.

I was thinking about TEL based ground launch and not air launched kind. The DF-21D is linked to the Chinese satellites so we don't need our own radars for target locating.