Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Ali_Baba]

Root meaning/cause behind India's NOTAMs?

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If that's the case, must commend India's army/politicians for these psychological games - no way would they attack before/after hosting US military for drills/exercises.

Upon reading this, my mind goes to "what if the USA and India plan to attack Pakistan jointly, and everything between Pakistan/USA was a ruse to lull Pakistan into a false sense of security" ..

I will remind everyone that the USA provided logistical support to Sindoor #1 when they provided their heavy lifters to move Israeli drones to India.

As Fox Mulder says, "trust no one".. not now most certainly.

(this is just the way my brain works )...

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

But once if MQM activated its unit and sectors then there will be major problems for Indian Army. It will be urban guerilla warfare for them. Don't forget the stolen NATO Weapons. They already have experience fighting 3 front war against Lyari Gang war, ANP and Sindhi Nationalists(JSQM etc). A very good battle harden militia @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @NA71 @Kim Jong Un @Signalian @Yasser76 @Baibers_1260

sorry, if can you say such idiotic things, then, you have not understood war!


it starts from inner conflicts, sabotage, info. leak and riots!

darker threats always come from inside!

 

[Baibers_1260]

Karachi Port Area - no brainer - could either try to employ a naval blockade around the EEZ or naval launched missiles targeting port area and airbases alongside aeriel strikes to try and bait PN.

A naval blockade though initially successful may be hard to hold unless Iran is taken out of the equation. Iran is likely to allow Pakistan the use of its ports and ship everything over land .
Capture of Karachi as the economic hub of Pakistan will be a huge strategic and psychological victory taking out 70% of Pakistan's economy

 

[Aggregate]

Indian war game analysts think so and with good reason:
In 1971, Dhaka even with a small core of staunchly patriotic Urdu speaking population fell within two weeks because the majority population were alienated and actively collaborating with the enemy. So nobody really fought the invasion . Karachi is not Dhaka of 1971, but it does have a polyglot diverse apathetic self-centered population which gives a huge advantage to the enemy. The Indian assessment is that if the armed forces defending Karachi are destroyed the population is likely to accept an enemy occupation. They may be wrong, We will soon know.

Dhaka in 1971 was no different than any other part of the world having internal conflicts. Kashmir and NE of India have been far worse and if Indian Punjab or NE were as geographically disconnected as EP then doing what India did would have been equally easy for Pakistan too.

In case of 1971 Dhaka, India illegally invaded an IB while Pakistan was trying to control an internal conflict. It was a wholly illegal move and Pakistan was caught off guard because they did not expect India to do this kind of an open invasion across IB. It would have remained illegal, but India captured 90K soldiers/civilians and forced Pakistan to sign off that Invasion as Legal. That was a very low move that nobody expected.

Also, Pakistani Army was actually deployed in EP due to ethnic conflicts between Muslims/Hindus, which caused most of the deaths (which were then attributed to PA as it was believed to be supporting Jamate Islami). The place was not fully against Pakistan and JI was up in arms to remain with Pakistan. But once India invaded, India armed and lent support to elements that were Anti Pakistan and helped them suppress the largely pro Pakistani side (which included JI and many others).

That is why you can see today that Bangladesh is still largely supportive of Pakistan rather than India, as soon as Hasina Wajid was thrown off. I have spoken with enough people from Bangladesh in ME, to know that what is told to us is a huge mix of Indian Propaganda and is not what Bangladeshis think of Pakistan. They hate India as much as anyone else. Despite all the grievances, they never intended for India to intervene this way and force a breakoff. Its not that Pakistan has not made mistakes, but BD was an entirely different Dynamic ana unique case due to its distance, internal conflict and India's illegal moves.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Upon reading this, my mind goes to "what if the USA and India plan to attack Pakistan jointly, and everything between Pakistan/USA was a ruse to lull Pakistan into a false sense of security" ..

I will remind everyone that the USA provided logistical support to Sindoor #1 when they provided their heavy lifters to move Israeli drones to India.

As Fox Mulder says, "trust no one".. not now most certainly.

100% true!

some sour truth actually

 

[NA71]

Upon reading this, my mind goes to "what if the USA and India plan to attack Pakistan jointly, and everything between Pakistan/USA was a ruse to lull Pakistan into a false sense of security" ..

I will remind everyone that the USA provided logistical support to Sindoor #1 when they provided their heavy lifters to move Israeli drones to India.

As Fox Mulder says, "trust no one".. not now most certainly.

Trump's regular statements on jets and calling "my favorite man or good man" could be a bluff...

 

[NA71]

A naval blockade though initially successful may be hard to hold unless Iran is taken out of the equation. Iran is likely to allow Pakistan the use of its ports and ship everything over land .
Capture of Karachi as the economic hub of Pakistan will be a huge strategic and psychological victory taking out 70% of Pakistan's economy

A naval blockade for even 10 minutes means the threshold point reached

 

[Aggregate]

Upon reading this, my mind goes to "what if the USA and India plan to attack Pakistan jointly, and everything between Pakistan/USA was a ruse to lull Pakistan into a false sense of security" ..

I will remind everyone that the USA provided logistical support to Sindoor #1 when they provided their heavy lifters to move Israeli drones to India.

As Fox Mulder says, "trust no one".. not now most certainly.

I am sure our policymakers are not gullible enough to fall for such a move. If they were, then we'd probably deserve it anyway. but I highly doubt it. If this was the case, they would have already received too many indications, especially form China, Iran and many others. Not to mention their own experience of dealing with the US in the past.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

as per Mr. Swaheny, war is imminent specially for those countries who rely on US petro $ structure as a guarantee to their safety!

Those countries are safer, which control access to routes/choke points and hold rare earth deposits!

I dont think, he is right!

USA will not lose power bec. of its tech dominance, for many years to come
(it may collapse but can recover)

 

[NA71]

I am sure our policymakers are not gullible enough to fall for such a move. If they were, then we'd probably deserve it anyway. but I highly doubt it. If this was the case, they would have already received too many indications, especially form China, Iran and many others. Not to mention their own experience of dealing with the US in the past.

exactly....we have been playing this chess game for over 4 decades...

no doubt some critical infrastructure damage may occur .. but holding ground or blockade is out of question.

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[hnn]

A naval blockade though initially successful may be hard to hold unless Iran is taken out of the equation. Iran is likely to allow Pakistan the use of its ports and ship everything over land .
Capture of Karachi as the economic hub of Pakistan will be a huge strategic and psychological victory taking out 70% of Pakistan's economy

I don't think capturing Karachi is on the cards unless India is ready for an all out mutually destructive war. They could try and create maritime choke points around the port and carry out a few strikes on airbases, however, anything more than that equals a war that will go out of anyone's control within a blink of an eye.

Also, on the Iran sich - that is where Indian terrorist proxies come into effect by targeting land based trade routes into Iran. The same terrorist proxies could also be used to try and strike Khuzdar.

 

[hnn]

Brother...India wants to show off power ...big ..prolong war is not in Indian favour too... so they will only opt Drones and Brahmos ...heavy strikes on Karachi port/Bholari & Masroor ABs ..IN/IA Marines move is simply a bait.

Keep in mind the escalation ladder dynamics.

The tactical maneuver towards Gwadar and strike on Khuzdar can still occur within the escalation ladder. If you remember, they did strike Kirana Hills in May, and that is where the tipping point for escalation ladder was and hence it didn't go past that because neither country was ready for an all out war.

However, this is just a theoretical possibility. I agree with you that the most likely case is as you have described but any military related preparation/planning also takes into consideration the least likely case because that is where the most advantageous surprise lies.

 

[NA71]

The tactical maneuver towards Gwadar and strike on Khuzdar can still occur within the escalation ladder. If you remember, they did strike Kirana Hills in May, and that is where the tipping point for escalation ladder was and hence it didn't go past that because neither country was ready for an all out war.

Kirana Hills is just hilly location near AB ...Indians made it Nuke storage facility ...that was their assumption....so escalation ladder remained at the lower level.

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