Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[kubotabx23]

Now, on the flipside the Indians managed to sow fear into the civilian population of many of your areas because their drones hit random places. Women were scared, children were scared especially in the urban areas which are considered safe like Lahore.
However, in places like ISB or Karachi where Suicide attacks or bombs are common there were people who came out and were actually enjoying cups of tea because they have enough trauma and experience of death that they simply found the Indian efforts an evening show.

Not saying that was the right response but that is essentially what is "Battle hardening". In other words a Pakistani trooper having gone through hell against TTP, comrades shot and killed - isolated in an ambush, hungry and thirsty but having to hold it down to avoid being spotted by a sniper - that person will quietly sit in their foxhole in the east and do their job until their fate while a non-hardened Indian counterpart will panic, run , abandon posts and complain of being hungry.

Which is why ironically, the constant flare ups along the LoC are actually good for India along with tough deployments compared to the rather calm environment they face today.

No kidding - terrorist attacks were so common in Peshawar, both witnessing and on the receiving end, that it became normalized to my cousins. It was to the extent where any bomb blast wouldn't really scare them anymore. Even during the recent May conflict, while talking to my Pupo to ask if all was well - I could hear the anti-air at the time (against the drones) - she was literally having tea and was like yeah, just another day.

It's a tragedy, but also very nation-building.

 

[Gripen9]

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[Oscar]

No kidding - terrorist attacks were so common in Peshawar, both witnessing and on the receiving end, that it became normalized to my cousins, to the extent where any bomb blast wouldn't really scare them anymore. Even during the recent May conflict, while talking to my Pupo to ask if all was well - I could hear the anti-air at the time (against the drones) - she was literally having tea and was like yeah, just another day.

It's a tragedy, but also very nation-building.

Yes, trauma is instilled in us. I had a suicide bomber lady's head land on my front door. But then I am also raised in Karachi so keeping a head on swivel constantly at traffic lights or when I see a bike.

Then there is the aspect of the whole yearly sacrifice thing.
For the most part Ive seen people and kids who do it themselves - participate in both the slitting of the animal's throats to hanging around as the animal is cut up - have more tolerance for seeing blood and not freaking out. Not a RULE but a trend.

 

[Oscar]

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Premature celebrations by the Boot polishing supporters is all I will say. But also a concerted effort by the joint lobbies to try and mend relations.

 

[Signalian]

Scenario 1: Defensive / Support Position
This is an NGFS/NSFS position. It can at best serve to soften up Sir Creek area. INS Vikrant won't be operational in this area as there is no tactical/flanking air vector from this position. Any aeriel bombardment would be carried out by IAF flying from inland. This position will have minimum impact on PN, they'll maintain their distance and provide their own NGFS/NSFS in Sir Creek area. Impact on PN Marines will be high, they'll have to withdraw from advance positions back towards a tactically defensive ground. Impact on PAF will be minimum, as they'll also maintain distance and will engage IAF in BVR defense. Impact on PA will be minimum as well as it is already inland at a distance and will maintain defensive line.

Scenario 2: Aggressive Position
This is a Tactical Maneuver Warfare position. This position serves to carry out a feint to bait PN away from shore defenses and also provides a flanking air vector so INS Vikrant will be operational in this position. However, CBG's engagement will remain diversionary. Impact on both PN and PAF will be medium to high as this position serves strictly to thin and spread out defenses away from Sir Creek. However, this is exactly where our land based ASBMs provide the required defenses and where the the DF-21D class MaRV can come in handy. The ASBMs can provide the necessary A2/AD from shore, while PN based in Ormara can flank, and PAF based in Smugli can temporarily rebase in Turbat or Gwadar and provide necessary aeriel support. However, this is also why Indians have BLA targeting those two cities in Balochistan specifically.

On a side note: the position South of Karachi as shown in the picture is a bit too deep. I'm assuming the CBG will somewhat more close in.

Good. This was the kind of response I was expecting

 

[Signalian]

Honestly I think we're asking too much from the PAF.
Block 1s with CM400 and Blk3 with air cover (No 02 and 08 sqn?) or mirages with Raad (?).
Also how about Akincis with SOM into the mix

The circumstances ask from PAF. Look at Feb 2019 and then May 2025. Its fought mainly by PAF.
Army's strike Corps and their MBTs stood standing, watching PAF make mincemeat of IAF. PN also stood and watched PAF fire log range missiles.

 

[Signalian]

I don't think much considering the sheer disparity in VLS between the two navies but that would be foolish. Would also depend on what the IN wants to do.
Also I don't think PN would put itself in a sit where it would have to get tied down because that would mean complete attrition.
PN surface fleet would have two options
1- Either be aggressive setting up advance ambushes (but that'd be dangerous against P-8Is etc.
2- Wait for Subs and PAF to keep IN at bay and incur sufficient loses in hope they turn back (relying on Indian inability to take loses) and then going for the chase or remain onnthe defensive to prevent own loses and claim victory.

P-8I's linked with Rafale M, that seems a good combination of EW, ESM and ISR in air warfare. P-8s main job will be sub hunting, depends how IN deploys it.

 

[airhead]

Pakistanis won't resist an indian invasion??????????????..........you OBVIOUSLY haven't been to Pakistan recently............

I agree and disagree . Yes a lot of Pakistanis have been disillusioned by what the establishment and field marshal doing to IK so the reputation and respect for army is at an all time low. Banyan Al marsoos restored that a bit but still very low. At the same time we saw that is may thst anytime India comes into play Pakistanis become fiercely independent minded and don’t want anything to do with India. This is true in Karachi and most of Baluchistan as well. So yes we have shot ouselvesnin the foot by army meddling into the civilian affairs. But no one is ready to take modi as their pre over and become 2nd class citizens overnight

 

[airhead]

You obviously haven't been to Pakistan recently and nor are you aware of the ground realities of Pakistani people and their mentality/attitude towards facing an indian ground invasion. IF what I am saying is wrong, let the indians come. See what their fate will be at the hands of the Pakistani public.

Agreed but right now there is a lot of hatred against the field marshal and the army in general particularly in Karachi and Kp

 

[NA71]

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Assume whatever this Rizwan sb is saying is TRUE ...for example, last night very high number of jets and drones were airborne and landed back without action .

what was that ...are they testing our reaction time?

 

[Raja Porus]

The circumstances ask from PAF. Look at Feb 2019 and then May 2025. Its fought mainly by PAF.
Army's strike Corps and their MBTs stood standing, watching PAF make mincemeat of IAF. PN also stood and watched PAF fire log range missiles.

Would PAF be able to maintain this tempo with ABs getting hit, OCA, CAPs, SEAD/DEAD, Ash, Air cover over Arabian sea. I don't think we should expect them to provide support to PA and perhaps most of the land targets will be targeted by PA (rocket force to relieve PAF of this duty).
Though I believe reduced Indian serviceability, turn over rate and PLAAF presence might help ease up

 

[Psyko70]

Assume whatever this Rizwan sb is saying is TRUE ...for example, last night very high number of jets and drones were airborne and landed back without action .

what was that ...are they testing our reaction time?

They are testing our patience. PAF is good in reaction time, I am nobody but still I suggest PAF start flying suddenly towards border and make Indians panic as well thinking Pakistan is doing preemptive strikes.

 

[NA71]

They are testing our patience. PAF is good in reaction time, I am nobody but still I suggest PAF start flying suddenly towards border and make Indians panic as well thinking Pakistan is doing preemptive strikes.

so you have also noticed the activities last night over coastal areas.

 

[Psyko70]

so you have also noticed the activities last night over coastal areas.

No sir just on internet.

 

[pakistanitarzan]

Assume whatever this Rizwan sb is saying is TRUE ...for example, last night very high number of jets and drones were airborne and landed back without action .

what was that ...are they testing our reaction time?

2019 and 2025, yet still testing?