Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[hnn]

thats what they want man...pakistan cant fight a long war cuz it requires money to do so...

I couldn't agree more. India is sniffing for even the slightest piece of bad intention odor on us. Besides, I'm no history geek, but when has our pre-emptive measures ever served us before (talking about Gibraltar '65 and Amritsar Airbase '71) - I could be wrong on it.

 

[Maea]

I would put my faith instead on the will of the Pakistani people and their ending their sense of denial about their ultimate fate

Good luck with that. As much as i would like to believe that our people are well aware of looming and ever present indian threat, in practice i dont see this threat perception level among general public. Instead our academia, dominated by liberal secular ideologies has led the public to believe that indians are not a threat to us, but somehow we are a threat to them and they even justify indian actions against us.

I insist on saying that liberal secular academia has done considerable damage to the public narrative because these guys are hell bent on destroying the one force that is binding us all and that is Islam.
Pakistanis fight for the nation bcz we believe it was created for muslims and Islam, if you remove that how are you going to convince your avrg soldier to sacrifice his life?
For all the injustices of our society, he ( the soldier) is still willing to lay down his life bcz he believes in a higher cause which is Islam.

 

[hnn]

pls elaborate chronicle reasons why Pakistan cant fight a protracted war, that sounds like a defeatist mentality?

is pakistan willing to stay hostage with this bullying mentality ? they have a long time to prepare for this kind of situation ? more than 10 years since 2015 ? are they not ready yet ?

War is but one solution to the bullying but at what cost? Fight or flight, though a reality, is a very reductionist approach to threat perception as it is a binary emotional approach that doesn't take into account cognitive capacity to override the feelings of anger and/or fear. I'm not saying, don't go to war, I'm saying don't go to war "first" - a simple resolution to bullying is to stand up to your bully (in majority cases of bullying, you don't have to lift your hand but just stand your ground) - apply that to the Pakistan / India scenario, just as Modi mentioned "won't get nuclear blackmailed" - perhaps we can be very clear about "we won't get blackmailed either." And that is what are military is doing right now with all of the exercises and posturing.

 

[ARMalik]

Unfortunately, India has the same early detection capabilities as Pakistan, and will detect Pakistani launches instantly. All Indian assets are heavily protected with layered missile defense systems so damage inflicted would be minimal. Striking cities, infrastructure and population centers which are unprotected is an obvious choice though this will in no way impact India 's capacity to retaliate. A better option is to "launch on detect " . The instant a Brahmos missile attack is detected our missiles are launched heading for civilian targets. It's an evil thing to say to target civilians but once our air and nuclear assets are destroyed by repeated Brahmos attacks our civilians will be targeted too.

You are correct but this also was the case in May. So what I am saying that PAF will find ways and they will destroy Indians assets if asked to Pre-Empt and go on the offensive. PERSONALLY I THINK THAT THIS IS THE ONLY WAY FOR PAKISATN TO PROACTIVELY COUNTER AND DESTROY INDIAN CRITICAL ASSETS ONCE AND FOR ALL !!

Also, people saying"Pakistan does not have money" -- what a load of horse shit. When has Pakistan ever shown that it has money. Again, it is very pathetic to suggest that Pakistan will allow India to destroy it limb by limb becuase it does not have money.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Lol cringe as hell. This messy grey hair pudda isn't listened to by anyone.

how can one negotiate over border, which dont even belong to them?!!

how can I sell an item, which I dont even own legally?!!!

at their back, this Jaishankar guy, must be the most laughed at bloke!

is that man, even capable of anything other than saying 'yes saar'?!!

 

[Ali_Baba]

What relation and bearing does the recent defence framework signing between India and the USA present to the USA-Saudi relationship?

Is America cosying up again, to encourage India to attack Pakistan to show that the "mutual" defence relationship between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is hollow and non-functional? i.e. to kill the treaty as the Saudi's will not take kinetic action against India, nor will they deploy their military, e.g. Saudi Airforce as a show of force in Pakistan, such that the negotiating position between the Saudi's and USA is degraded for Saudi Arabia for any defence framework that they may be talking about. ie Saudi Arabia does not have any "other" options for a defence treaty and that they have to take USA demands for it ie Abraham Accords if they want a treaty ?

Is that the real reason why Trump keeps talking about 7 planes, to force/embarrass India into some conflict with Pakistan to kill the Saudi-Pakistan treaty?

What do people think?

( my conspiracy minded brain had a double shot expresso this morning with cake too .. and here we are with all that caffeine and sugar.. ).

 

[Ali_Baba]

mean while, Cobra ball or ball for Cobra, has peacefully returned home, after witnessing some spectacular natural phenomenon!

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I do wonder if Pakistan is about to test some new weapon, or "concept of war" for the Chinese, on the Indians again?

Has India become a "laboratory rat" for Chinese weapons development and testing under combat conditions ?

 

[Winthorpe]

India and its nefarious plans are clearly an existential threat to Pakistan! We need to stop trying to play the moral
Upper hand card and launch a preemptive strike! Attack now and deal with the PR consequences later! But when you have leadership with questionable mandates… you can’t make bold decisions only reactive ones

 

[UndercoverJIX]

Why cant we have an emergency joint exercise with Saudi, China and Turk at this moment ???

Cant we even have an exercise with our Defence partner???

India is having with USA during current situation.

Just imagine the effect of this, peace will be achieved.

 

[hnn]

What relation and bearing does the recent defence framework signing between India and the USA present to the USA-Saudi relationship?

Is America cosying up again, to encourage India to attack Pakistan to show that the "mutual" defence relationship between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is hollow and non-functional? i.e. to kill the treaty as the Saudi's will not take kinetic action against India, nor will they deploy their military, e.g. Saudi Airforce as a show of force in Pakistan, such that the negotiating position between the Saudi's and USA is degraded for Saudi Arabia for any defence framework that they may be talking about. ie Saudi Arabia does not have any "other" options for a defence treaty and that they have to take USA demands for it ie Abraham Accords if they want a treaty ?

Is that the real reason why Trump keeps talking about 7 planes, to force/embarrass India into some conflict with Pakistan to kill the Saudi-Pakistan treaty?

What do people think?

( my conspiracy minded brain had a double shot expresso this morning with cake too .. and here we are with all that caffeine and sugar.. ).

Probably.
Or the US secretly wants a nuclear war at China's borders so it can study both the Nuclear War itself and the fallout consequences on China. I mean Pakistan has added a lot to the military literature in the 21st Century, from WoT, to Piochar Valley Operation (Black Thunderstorm), to Advance Gen Aeriel and Drone Warfare - the only thing left to add to this literature now is the WMD Warfare haha.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Why cant we have an emergency joint exercise with Saudi, China and Turk at this moment ???

Cant we even have an exercise with our Defence partner???

India is having with USA during current situation.

Just imagine the effect of this, peace will be achieved.

It is because there is probably no value to any exercise right now. Pakistan needs to conserve resources, airframe lifespan and aircrew and ground crew readiness for a short very high intense conflict.

If there was something that could be "learnt" from an exercise right now, they would do it. However, given how unique Pakistan war fighting concepts are right now with multi-domain warfare, there is no military value to a military exercise beyond optics imho. A lot of these exercises are about country to country relationships, and military to military contact and not so much about military value(unless there is a chance to get up-close to some new military equipment that you want to review/inspect up-close etc).

 

[NA71]

Why cant we have an emergency joint exercise with Saudi, China and Turk at this moment ???

Cant we even have an exercise with our Defence partner???

India is having with USA during current situation.

Just imagine the effect of this, peace will be achieved.

No way.....the pact is only for Sudia.....when we need it....they only thing they will offer is money....

 

[NA71]

 

[UndercoverJIX]

It is because there is probably no value to any exercise right now. Pakistan needs to conserve resources, airframe lifespan and aircrew and ground crew readiness for a short very high intense conflict.

If there was something that could be "learnt" from an exercise right now, they would do it. However, given how unique Pakistan war fighting concepts are right now with multi-domain warfare, there is no military value to a military exercise beyond optics imho. A lot of these exercises are about country to country relationships, and military to military contact and not so much about military value(unless there is a chance to get up-close to some new military equipment that you want to review/inspect up-close etc).

Al is well and good what you say, but what i was saying ...... deterrence, will achieve peace, hindutva will calm down for now with the presence of allied forces.

everything can not be achieved with raw power.

 

[NA71]

240 seconds to karachi....brahmos ki dhamki hy!!!