Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

AFAIK, the major damage to India was already done by morning of 7 May.
  • Their aircrafts were shot down
  • Bde HQs in IOJK were targeted
  • Their forward defenses on LOC were vacated and 7 border posts were occupied by PA
First thing to be proud of here is that this major response came only within ~ 3 hours of India's missile strike unlike 2019 where it took a few days to launch a response.

By morning on 7 May, India was already holding press conference in which they mentioned they are ready to de-escalate if Pakistan does so. Foreign countries, esp US, was already in contact with both countries - Pakistan did decide to de-escalate and vacated their border posts by evening on 7 May

On 8 and 9 May, India carried out their drone incursion blaming Pakistan for doing artillery shelling and drone swarms across LOC b/w night of 7/8 - this was vice versa - when Pakistan de-escalated on 7 May, India still wanted to get the last punch in (because of the damages they had already received).

Pakistan took care of Indian drone incursion, and with no damage to show to their population, on the night of 9 May, India struck Nur Khan AB with BrahMos.

By this time US was back on the hotline with both countries, as India was escalating, but Pakistan denied the US call for no response/de-escalation and then by the early hours of May 10 Op BM was officially launched - F1 and F2, CM400 AKG, Bhuj BrahMos launch site all this happened by morning hours of 10 May.

After this upon India's request ceasefire negotiations were began by noon. During the negotiations, India took advantage again and launched more BrahMos at Pakistan targeting ABs and Kirana Hills. The last BrahMos strike was Bholari AB (which happened mid-afternoon 10 May) a couple of hours later the ceasefire was in effect.

The major damage to India was already done by 7 May (Aircrafts and LOC) - Op BM on 10 May did further damage but AFAIK not of the same extent as on 7 May because Pakistan didn't want to escalate further (India was already using BrahMos which was their last weapon system under Nuclear Threshold)
Complete load of bull crap. Mixing few facts with imaginary achievements and here comes a movie script.
Bhuj was decimated and posts occupied? Bases damaged for which not a single proof could be given? Come on man?
Munir was a complete failure in the May skirmish. It was Sidhu who did most of the heavy lifting and did an amazing job on 7th May.

Whatever Munir has bestowed himself with, is due to a weak government that sees its own survival in these promotions.
 
Why would the Pakistan military invade Afghanistan?
Pakistan has punished Afghanistan severely already for supporting terror and for now at least these terror attacks seem to have lessened.
If Pakistan loses Sindh or Kashmir it will cease to exist as a nation. It is unlikely that our armed forces will allow the entire nation to be occupied and our people enslaved. A nuclear martyrdom is a far more attractive option.
I think Pakistan is already falling into the trap being laid for it in Afghanistan and the sponsors of the Afghans this time are those who want to punish Pakistan for hiding OBL and playing a double game after 9/11.

But regarding the nuclear option, do you really believe the Pakistani high command will eventually pull the trigger ?
 
AFAIK, the major damage to India was already done by morning of 7 May.
  • Their aircrafts were shot down
  • Bde HQs in IOJK were targeted
  • Their forward defenses on LOC were vacated and 7 border posts were occupied by PA
First thing to be proud of here is that this major response came only within ~ 3 hours of India's missile strike unlike 2019 where it took a few days to launch a response.

By morning on 7 May, India was already holding press conference in which they mentioned they are ready to de-escalate if Pakistan does so. Foreign countries, esp US, was already in contact with both countries - Pakistan did decide to de-escalate and vacated their border posts by evening on 7 May

On 8 and 9 May, India carried out their drone incursion blaming Pakistan for doing artillery shelling and drone swarms across LOC b/w night of 7/8 - this was vice versa - when Pakistan de-escalated on 7 May, India still wanted to get the last punch in (because of the damages they had already received).

Pakistan took care of Indian drone incursion, and with no damage to show to their population, on the night of 9 May, India struck Nur Khan AB with BrahMos.

By this time US was back on the hotline with both countries, as India was escalating, but Pakistan denied the US call for no response/de-escalation and then by the early hours of May 10 Op BM was officially launched - F1 and F2, CM400 AKG, Bhuj BrahMos launch site all this happened by morning hours of 10 May.

After this upon India's request ceasefire negotiations were began by noon. During the negotiations, India took advantage again and launched more BrahMos at Pakistan targeting ABs and Kirana Hills. The last BrahMos strike was Bholari AB (which happened mid-afternoon 10 May) a couple of hours later the ceasefire was in effect.

The major damage to India was already done by 7 May (Aircrafts and LOC) - Op BM on 10 May did further damage but AFAIK not of the same extent as on 7 May because Pakistan didn't want to escalate further (India was already using BrahMos which was their last weapon system under Nuclear Threshold)
A few disagreements based on my understanding

I actually kept downloading both the forum posts from those days, rss feeds and X posts to create a timeline then cross referenced it with accounts to feed it into a notebook llm project.

So based on that.
7 May 2025 – Opening strikes and largest air battle

00:00–04:00 PKT


In the very early hours, India launches Operation Sindoor, a coordinated set of missile, artillery, and air strikes against nine targets in Pakistani-administered Kashmir and Punjab. The targets are described by India as infrastructure linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, and Hizbul Mujahideen, with care taken—according to Indian statements—to avoid Pakistani military bases and dense civilian areas.

  • Ground element: Indian Army artillery employs M982 Excalibur precision rounds and loitering munitions against sites close to the Line of Control (LoC).
  • Air element: Indian Air Force (IAF) Rafale aircraft fire SCALP cruise missiles and AASM Hammer precision bombs against deeper targets in Pakistani Punjab and Azad Kashmir, while Indian air defence provides cover. The Indian side later claims it “bypassed and jammed” Chinese-supplied Pakistani air-defence radars during the operation.
Within hours, a massive beyond-visual-range (BVR) air engagement develops over and near the LoC. Around 114 aircraft are involved—roughly 72 IAF and 42 PAF—in what becomes the largest recorded BVR engagement between the two air forces. Neither side crosses the international boundary or LoC; all shots are taken from standoff ranges.

Pakistan claims up to six Indian fighters downed. Independent investigations later confirm at least three crash sites inside India and strong evidence for up to four aircraft lost, including at least one Rafale and one other type not operated by Pakistan. Debris of PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles is recovered in India, confirming their combat use by Pakistan’s Chinese-origin fighters.

04:00–08:00 PKT

As the air battle winds down, both sides shift to damage assessment and search-and-rescue. Indian teams move to crash locations in Jammu & Kashmir and Punjab; Pakistani units check targeted areas in Azad Kashmir and Punjab, logging initial military and civilian damage.

Along the LoC, the 2021 ceasefire effectively collapses. What begins as sporadic exchanges quickly grows into sustained small-arms, mortar, and artillery fire along multiple sectors. This pattern will continue throughout the crisis, causing a significant share of overall casualties, especially among civilians in frontline villages.

08:00–12:00 PKT

Daylight over the subcontinent brings a relative lull in long-range strikes. Both capitals weigh next steps. The Stimson reconstruction notes that by comparison with the dramatic early-morning events, “the daylight hours of May 7 were marked by comparative quiet.”

  • The IAF and PAF maintain combat air patrols (CAPs) on both sides of the border.
  • Ground forces dig in along the LoC and Working Boundary, improving bunkers and ammunition stocks; civilians begin moving away from exposed villages where they can.
12:00–16:00 PKT

International reactions gather pace. Statements from major powers call for restraint and warn against escalation, especially toward a nuclear confrontation. Quiet diplomatic outreach begins, but both governments signal that they will pursue their military objectives for now.

Operationally, both sides focus on:

  • Force protection: dispersing aircraft, moving high-value assets (aircraft, SAM batteries, radars) away from obvious target points.
  • Air-defence readiness: Pakistani HQ-9 and other systems, Indian S-400 and Akash batteries remain on high alert.
16:00–20:00 PKT

Fighting along the LoC intensifies through the late afternoon and evening:

  • Both armies employ mortars, artillery, and occasionally tanks / ATGMs against each other’s posts.
  • Neither side attempts to seize and hold new ground; the violence remains in the mold of high-tempo but positional warfare.
India keeps long-range aviation on alert, while Pakistan continues to integrate ground and air sensors, with an emphasis on understanding the electromagnetic environment after the morning’s jamming experience.

20:00–24:00 PKT – First drone wave into India

During the night of 7–8 May, Pakistan begins a drone and missile campaign against targets in western and northern India—about 15 locations, according to later Indian briefings.

  • The strike package mixes basic, inexpensive drones (serving as decoys and “flying chaff”) with more capable armed UAVs and loitering munitions, probing Indian radar coverage and response patterns.
  • Targets include infrastructure and military facilities around cities such as Amritsar and other Punjab / Rajasthan locations; the aim is to test and saturate Indian air defences rather than cause decisive physical damage.
Indian air defences respond vigorously, firing S-400 interceptors, other SAMs, and anti-aircraft artillery, creating a visible “umbrella” of tracers and launches captured in numerous videos. India later describes Pakistan’s effort as a “raid” conducted in waves to saturate its defences. Damage on the ground appears limited.


8 May 2025 – SEAD duels and narrative split

00:00–04:00 PKT


The first night’s drone raids and Indian defensive fire continue into the early hours. India afterwards reports hundreds of drone incursions over this and the following night, largely aimed at probing and mapping its air-defence network.

India also states that its S-400 system based at Adampur plays a role in negating Pakistani strikes, marking the first combat use of the system. Pakistan officially denies having attacked India at all in this phase, setting up a major narrative gap.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Indian SEAD strike on Lahore radar

In the morning, India launches a “proportionate response” SEAD/DEAD operation against Pakistani air-defence sites.

  • India uses Harpy and Harop anti-radiation drones plus Banshee target drones as decoys.
  • Pakistani officials later acknowledge attacks on 11 sites and confirm that four soldiers were injured and equipment partially damaged, including at least one air-defence radar in Lahore effectively neutralised.
Pakistani air defences claim to have shot down two dozen-plus drones, with debris scattered around several locations. One civilian is reported killed.

08:00–12:00 PKT

Public messaging diverges sharply:

  • India presents the morning operation as a calibrated counter-strike in the same domain (drones/air-defence) and of similar intensity to what it says were Pakistani drone raids the night before.
  • Pakistan continues to deny any preceding drone strikes on India and portrays the Indian SEAD mission as unprovoked aggression against Pakistani cities, especially Lahore and Karachi, thereby hardening domestic opinion.
On the LoC, heavy small-arms and artillery exchanges continue. Civilians on both sides increasingly shelter in basements, schools, or improvised bunkers.

12:00–16:00 PKT

The ground picture remains static but violent:

  • Static, hardened positions dominate; both sides avoid large maneuver operations while continuing to trade fire.
  • Many of the eventual 50+ fatalities in Kashmir during the crisis are later attributed to this continued cross-border shelling, including deliberate or collateral fire striking villages.
At sea, the two navies maneuver in the Arabian Sea, staying outside firing range but clearly signalling coercive options.

16:00–20:00 PKT – Nuclear concerns surface abroad

As the second day wears on, international attention shifts explicitly to nuclear risk.

Other states, including China and European countries, issue statements urging immediate de-escalation and increased dialogue.

20:00–24:00 PKT – Second drone wave

The night of 8–9 May sees a second, somewhat larger drone campaign against India, attributed by India to Pakistan.

  • Swarms of “poor-quality, basic drones” are mixed with a smaller number of surveilling and armed platforms, an apparent attempt to saturate radars and SAMs.
  • India claims again that damage is minor; images support the view that most drones are either intercepted or fall without major effect.
India retaliates with another limited drone-based SEAD strike; Pakistan, for its part, claims to have shot down dozens of Indian drones over this period, announcing a cumulative tally of over 70 drones downed.


9 May 2025 – Drone duels, cyber war, and escalation calculus

00:00–04:00 PKT


The second night of drone engagements continues into the early hours. Air-defence batteries on both sides remain active, with bursts of fire as drones or suspected drones appear on radar. Much of this activity serves intelligence purposes, mapping adversary sensors and doctrine under stress.

Along the LoC, fire remains heavy but still bounded by the line; neither side attempts a ground offensive beyond limited raids.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Further Indian SEAD strikes

In the morning, India conducts another SEAD-focused operation, sending armed drones against four Pakistani air-defence sites.

  • India claims at least one additional radar is destroyed.
  • Pakistan claims that between the previous evening and midday of 9 May it has shot down 48 Indian drones, reinforcing the narrative that it is blunting Indian unmanned operations.
From the Indian perspective, these attacks are part of a cross-service “escalation control mechanism” that prioritizes suppression of enemy air defences (SEAD) so that, if needed, manned aircraft can operate with reduced risk in later phases.S

08:00–12:00 PKT

Information operations peak:

  • India publicly identifies specific Pakistani drones, including Turkish-origin Songar systems, and characterises many others as crude platforms used to clutter radar.
  • Pakistan continues to stress its success in intercepting Israeli-origin loitering munitions and notes that it has limited casualties and damage from Indian attacks so far, aside from admitted radar losses.
Social media and news outlets circulate extensive footage of air-defence fire over Indian cities and drone debris in Pakistan, reinforcing the image of a two-night “drone war” layered on top of artillery duels in Kashmir.

12:00–16:00 PKT – U.S. posture hardens

By this window, U.S. internal assessments reportedly shift in response to “alarming intelligence”, leading to more active behind-the-scenes pressure on both New Delhi and Islamabad to move toward a ceasefire.

Meanwhile, firing along the LoC continues, and later reporting suggests over 50 deaths in Kashmir across the crisis, many from shells landing in or near villages.

16:00–20:00 PKT – Operation Bunyun Marsoos (cyber)

Pakistan opens a major offensive cyber campaign known as Operation Bunyan al Marsoos.

  • Targets reportedly include Indian military networks, government agencies, state-linked companies, and thousands of surveillance cameras.
  • Pakistani reporting claims that databases at organisations such as Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Border Security Force, and India’s Unique Identification Authority (UIDAI) are accessed or disrupted; multiple websites are defaced or taken offline.
  • Indian authorities record over 1.5 million intrusion attempts and scramble to contain and eject intruders, patch vulnerabilities, and restore services.
20:00–24:00 PKT – Preludes to broader Indian strikes

On the night of 9–10 May, Indian media report another barrage of drones and missiles incoming from Pakistan.

This is follow up from Pakistan which claims to have

In response, India’s political and military leadership authorise an expanded conventional strike against Pakistani military installations, building on the SEAD groundwork laid on the 8th and 9th. Planning for these strikes focuses on:

  • Air bases and air-defence nodes judged critical to Pakistan’s ability to threaten India in a prolonged air campaign.
  • Maintaining a narrative of “calibrated” and domain-matched responses, to deter further attacks without crossing red lines that could trigger nuclear risk.

10 May 2025 – Indian expanded strikes and move toward ceasefire

00:00–04:00 PKT – Indian strikes on Pakistani air bases


In the early hours, the Indian Armed Forces carry out multiple air-strike operations using Su-30MKI fighters armed with BrahMos missiles and other standoff munitions against selected Pakistani military installations, especially air-defence sites and air bases.

According to Indian accounts and later analysis:

  • These strikes disable or damage additional radars and air-defence systems at several locations.
  • Pakistan acknowledges that soldiers are wounded, equipment suffers “partial damage”, and at least some air-defence radars are neutralised, though it stresses that core combat capability remains intact.
Pakistani sources also claim successful air defence against part of this raid, but details remain less documented than the earlier SEAD duels.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Pakistani Bunyan al Marsoos strikes and pause toward negotiations

In this same early‑morning window, Pakistan launches the principal kinetic wave of Operation Bunyan al Marsoos, combining air‑launched and ground‑launched stand‑off weapons against a set of Indian military targets. Pakistani and later regional analyses refer to the use of CM‑400AKG anti‑ship/anti‑surface missiles, land‑attack cruise missiles such as Babur and Ra’ad variants, and loitering munitions aimed at Indian airbases, BrahMos‑related sites (frequently including Bhuj in open‑source reconstructions), and supporting infrastructure.

Islamabad presents this as a comprehensive but still conventional‑limited strike package, announcing hits on multiple Indian airbases and claiming damage to runways, fuel and ammunition storage, air‑defence systems, and at least one BrahMos launcher location. The Pakistani line is that by the morning of 10 May, this wave has achieved its objectives: demonstrating that Pakistan can match long‑range precision strikes, impose costs on key Indian military assets, and yet keep the conflict inside a controlled envelope.

Pakistan however is unable to provide any visual proof to its claims as India starts providing visuals of Pakistani airbases hit.

As news of these exchanges spreads, both sides avoid immediately launching even larger follow‑on packages. Indian airspace restrictions and Pakistani airspace closures continue, with dozens of Indian airports in the north and west operating under severe constraints and Pakistan keeping its skies tightly controlled for roughly two days, affecting civil aviation and logistics. Around this time, according to multiple accounts, India signals willingness to enter ceasefire talks; Pakistan, having executed the main BM kinetic wave, is also open to negotiations, seeing its primary deterrence goals as met
 
No one really cares about whatever you think about Field Marshal Asim Munir, it's your opinion and right. But you seem to be out of your mind regarding what I said.

I just pointed out that your claim "Asim isn't even a COAS as he completed tenure on Nov 27." doesn't hold the ground. Gen. Gen. Asim Munir automatically got his tenure extended to five years after the previous constitutional amendment. As many people with legal background have pointed out that no new notification was required after he completed the first three years as COAS.

After the latest constitutional amendment passed by the Pakistan's parliament, FM Asim Munir is now the COAS and CDF for five years anew.

Of course you can differ with my opinion but your knee jerk reaction was uncalled for.
LOL what consitutional ammendement ? Man, these army fanboys are so ignorant. This parliment itself is fake and formed by stealing mandate of PTI big time. Anything they do, doesn't have legitimacy and this is precisely why, they cut the powers of Supreme court and appointed their own judges who are not legally authorized to work under Govt. Anyways it will be an off topic discussion. Let's not discuss here.
 
I think Pakistan is already falling into the trap being laid for it in Afghanistan and the sponsors of the Afghans this time are those who want to punish Pakistan for hiding OBL and playing a double game after 9/11.

But regarding the nuclear option, do you really believe the Pakistani high command will eventually pull the trigger ?
Pakistan has 4-5 established red lines like loss of territory etc, crossing those can certainly result in nuclear backlash.

I think most important thing for Pakistan now is to secure the C3s and installations/bases and assets and the military/strategic leadership from a surprise attack, we can always respond to Indian attacks if we are able to secure those.
And if it keeps going for long and India puts too much weight in it then every Pakistani will surely choose mutual nuclear destruction over humiliation at the hands of hindutva.
 
A few disagreements based on my understanding

I actually kept downloading both the forum posts from those days, rss feeds and X posts to create a timeline then cross referenced it with accounts to feed it into a notebook llm project.

So based on that.
7 May 2025 – Opening strikes and largest air battle

00:00–04:00 PKT


In the very early hours, India launches Operation Sindoor, a coordinated set of missile, artillery, and air strikes against nine targets in Pakistani-administered Kashmir and Punjab. The targets are described by India as infrastructure linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, and Hizbul Mujahideen, with care taken—according to Indian statements—to avoid Pakistani military bases and dense civilian areas.

  • Ground element: Indian Army artillery employs M982 Excalibur precision rounds and loitering munitions against sites close to the Line of Control (LoC).
  • Air element: Indian Air Force (IAF) Rafale aircraft fire SCALP cruise missiles and AASM Hammer precision bombs against deeper targets in Pakistani Punjab and Azad Kashmir, while Indian air defence provides cover. The Indian side later claims it “bypassed and jammed” Chinese-supplied Pakistani air-defence radars during the operation.
Within hours, a massive beyond-visual-range (BVR) air engagement develops over and near the LoC. Around 114 aircraft are involved—roughly 72 IAF and 42 PAF—in what becomes the largest recorded BVR engagement between the two air forces. Neither side crosses the international boundary or LoC; all shots are taken from standoff ranges.

Pakistan claims up to six Indian fighters downed. Independent investigations later confirm at least three crash sites inside India and strong evidence for up to four aircraft lost, including at least one Rafale and one other type not operated by Pakistan. Debris of PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles is recovered in India, confirming their combat use by Pakistan’s Chinese-origin fighters.

04:00–08:00 PKT

As the air battle winds down, both sides shift to damage assessment and search-and-rescue. Indian teams move to crash locations in Jammu & Kashmir and Punjab; Pakistani units check targeted areas in Azad Kashmir and Punjab, logging initial military and civilian damage.

Along the LoC, the 2021 ceasefire effectively collapses. What begins as sporadic exchanges quickly grows into sustained small-arms, mortar, and artillery fire along multiple sectors. This pattern will continue throughout the crisis, causing a significant share of overall casualties, especially among civilians in frontline villages.

08:00–12:00 PKT

Daylight over the subcontinent brings a relative lull in long-range strikes. Both capitals weigh next steps. The Stimson reconstruction notes that by comparison with the dramatic early-morning events, “the daylight hours of May 7 were marked by comparative quiet.”

  • The IAF and PAF maintain combat air patrols (CAPs) on both sides of the border.
  • Ground forces dig in along the LoC and Working Boundary, improving bunkers and ammunition stocks; civilians begin moving away from exposed villages where they can.
12:00–16:00 PKT

International reactions gather pace. Statements from major powers call for restraint and warn against escalation, especially toward a nuclear confrontation. Quiet diplomatic outreach begins, but both governments signal that they will pursue their military objectives for now.

Operationally, both sides focus on:

  • Force protection: dispersing aircraft, moving high-value assets (aircraft, SAM batteries, radars) away from obvious target points.
  • Air-defence readiness: Pakistani HQ-9 and other systems, Indian S-400 and Akash batteries remain on high alert.
16:00–20:00 PKT

Fighting along the LoC intensifies through the late afternoon and evening:

  • Both armies employ mortars, artillery, and occasionally tanks / ATGMs against each other’s posts.
  • Neither side attempts to seize and hold new ground; the violence remains in the mold of high-tempo but positional warfare.
India keeps long-range aviation on alert, while Pakistan continues to integrate ground and air sensors, with an emphasis on understanding the electromagnetic environment after the morning’s jamming experience.

20:00–24:00 PKT – First drone wave into India

During the night of 7–8 May, Pakistan begins a drone and missile campaign against targets in western and northern India—about 15 locations, according to later Indian briefings.

  • The strike package mixes basic, inexpensive drones (serving as decoys and “flying chaff”) with more capable armed UAVs and loitering munitions, probing Indian radar coverage and response patterns.
  • Targets include infrastructure and military facilities around cities such as Amritsar and other Punjab / Rajasthan locations; the aim is to test and saturate Indian air defences rather than cause decisive physical damage.
Indian air defences respond vigorously, firing S-400 interceptors, other SAMs, and anti-aircraft artillery, creating a visible “umbrella” of tracers and launches captured in numerous videos. India later describes Pakistan’s effort as a “raid” conducted in waves to saturate its defences. Damage on the ground appears limited.



8 May 2025 – SEAD duels and narrative split

00:00–04:00 PKT


The first night’s drone raids and Indian defensive fire continue into the early hours. India afterwards reports hundreds of drone incursions over this and the following night, largely aimed at probing and mapping its air-defence network.

India also states that its S-400 system based at Adampur plays a role in negating Pakistani strikes, marking the first combat use of the system. Pakistan officially denies having attacked India at all in this phase, setting up a major narrative gap.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Indian SEAD strike on Lahore radar

In the morning, India launches a “proportionate response” SEAD/DEAD operation against Pakistani air-defence sites.

  • India uses Harpy and Harop anti-radiation drones plus Banshee target drones as decoys.
  • Pakistani officials later acknowledge attacks on 11 sites and confirm that four soldiers were injured and equipment partially damaged, including at least one air-defence radar in Lahore effectively neutralised.
Pakistani air defences claim to have shot down two dozen-plus drones, with debris scattered around several locations. One civilian is reported killed.

08:00–12:00 PKT

Public messaging diverges sharply:

  • India presents the morning operation as a calibrated counter-strike in the same domain (drones/air-defence) and of similar intensity to what it says were Pakistani drone raids the night before.
  • Pakistan continues to deny any preceding drone strikes on India and portrays the Indian SEAD mission as unprovoked aggression against Pakistani cities, especially Lahore and Karachi, thereby hardening domestic opinion.
On the LoC, heavy small-arms and artillery exchanges continue. Civilians on both sides increasingly shelter in basements, schools, or improvised bunkers.

12:00–16:00 PKT

The ground picture remains static but violent:

  • Static, hardened positions dominate; both sides avoid large maneuver operations while continuing to trade fire.
  • Many of the eventual 50+ fatalities in Kashmir during the crisis are later attributed to this continued cross-border shelling, including deliberate or collateral fire striking villages.
At sea, the two navies maneuver in the Arabian Sea, staying outside firing range but clearly signalling coercive options.

16:00–20:00 PKT – Nuclear concerns surface abroad

As the second day wears on, international attention shifts explicitly to nuclear risk.

Other states, including China and European countries, issue statements urging immediate de-escalation and increased dialogue.

20:00–24:00 PKT – Second drone wave

The night of 8–9 May sees a second, somewhat larger drone campaign against India, attributed by India to Pakistan.

  • Swarms of “poor-quality, basic drones” are mixed with a smaller number of surveilling and armed platforms, an apparent attempt to saturate radars and SAMs.
  • India claims again that damage is minor; images support the view that most drones are either intercepted or fall without major effect.
India retaliates with another limited drone-based SEAD strike; Pakistan, for its part, claims to have shot down dozens of Indian drones over this period, announcing a cumulative tally of over 70 drones downed.



9 May 2025 – Drone duels, cyber war, and escalation calculus

00:00–04:00 PKT


The second night of drone engagements continues into the early hours. Air-defence batteries on both sides remain active, with bursts of fire as drones or suspected drones appear on radar. Much of this activity serves intelligence purposes, mapping adversary sensors and doctrine under stress.

Along the LoC, fire remains heavy but still bounded by the line; neither side attempts a ground offensive beyond limited raids.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Further Indian SEAD strikes

In the morning, India conducts another SEAD-focused operation, sending armed drones against four Pakistani air-defence sites.

  • India claims at least one additional radar is destroyed.
  • Pakistan claims that between the previous evening and midday of 9 May it has shot down 48 Indian drones, reinforcing the narrative that it is blunting Indian unmanned operations.
From the Indian perspective, these attacks are part of a cross-service “escalation control mechanism” that prioritizes suppression of enemy air defences (SEAD) so that, if needed, manned aircraft can operate with reduced risk in later phases.S

08:00–12:00 PKT

Information operations peak:

  • India publicly identifies specific Pakistani drones, including Turkish-origin Songar systems, and characterises many others as crude platforms used to clutter radar.
  • Pakistan continues to stress its success in intercepting Israeli-origin loitering munitions and notes that it has limited casualties and damage from Indian attacks so far, aside from admitted radar losses.
Social media and news outlets circulate extensive footage of air-defence fire over Indian cities and drone debris in Pakistan, reinforcing the image of a two-night “drone war” layered on top of artillery duels in Kashmir.

12:00–16:00 PKT – U.S. posture hardens

By this window, U.S. internal assessments reportedly shift in response to “alarming intelligence”, leading to more active behind-the-scenes pressure on both New Delhi and Islamabad to move toward a ceasefire.

Meanwhile, firing along the LoC continues, and later reporting suggests over 50 deaths in Kashmir across the crisis, many from shells landing in or near villages.

16:00–20:00 PKT – Operation Bunyun Marsoos (cyber)

Pakistan opens a major offensive cyber campaign known as Operation Bunyan al Marsoos.

  • Targets reportedly include Indian military networks, government agencies, state-linked companies, and thousands of surveillance cameras.
  • Pakistani reporting claims that databases at organisations such as Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Border Security Force, and India’s Unique Identification Authority (UIDAI) are accessed or disrupted; multiple websites are defaced or taken offline.
  • Indian authorities record over 1.5 million intrusion attempts and scramble to contain and eject intruders, patch vulnerabilities, and restore services.
20:00–24:00 PKT – Preludes to broader Indian strikes

On the night of 9–10 May, Indian media report another barrage of drones and missiles incoming from Pakistan.

This is follow up from Pakistan which claims to have

In response, India’s political and military leadership authorise an expanded conventional strike against Pakistani military installations, building on the SEAD groundwork laid on the 8th and 9th. Planning for these strikes focuses on:

  • Air bases and air-defence nodes judged critical to Pakistan’s ability to threaten India in a prolonged air campaign.
  • Maintaining a narrative of “calibrated” and domain-matched responses, to deter further attacks without crossing red lines that could trigger nuclear risk.


10 May 2025 – Indian expanded strikes and move toward ceasefire

00:00–04:00 PKT – Indian strikes on Pakistani air bases


In the early hours, the Indian Armed Forces carry out multiple air-strike operations using Su-30MKI fighters armed with BrahMos missiles and other standoff munitions against selected Pakistani military installations, especially air-defence sites and air bases.

According to Indian accounts and later analysis:

  • These strikes disable or damage additional radars and air-defence systems at several locations.
  • Pakistan acknowledges that soldiers are wounded, equipment suffers “partial damage”, and at least some air-defence radars are neutralised, though it stresses that core combat capability remains intact.
Pakistani sources also claim successful air defence against part of this raid, but details remain less documented than the earlier SEAD duels.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Pakistani Bunyan al Marsoos strikes and pause toward negotiations

In this same early‑morning window, Pakistan launches the principal kinetic wave of Operation Bunyan al Marsoos, combining air‑launched and ground‑launched stand‑off weapons against a set of Indian military targets. Pakistani and later regional analyses refer to the use of CM‑400AKG anti‑ship/anti‑surface missiles, land‑attack cruise missiles such as Babur and Ra’ad variants, and loitering munitions aimed at Indian airbases, BrahMos‑related sites (frequently including Bhuj in open‑source reconstructions), and supporting infrastructure.

Islamabad presents this as a comprehensive but still conventional‑limited strike package, announcing hits on multiple Indian airbases and claiming damage to runways, fuel and ammunition storage, air‑defence systems, and at least one BrahMos launcher location. The Pakistani line is that by the morning of 10 May, this wave has achieved its objectives: demonstrating that Pakistan can match long‑range precision strikes, impose costs on key Indian military assets, and yet keep the conflict inside a controlled envelope.

Pakistan however is unable to provide any visual proof to its claims as India starts providing visuals of Pakistani airbases hit.

As news of these exchanges spreads, both sides avoid immediately launching even larger follow‑on packages. Indian airspace restrictions and Pakistani airspace closures continue, with dozens of Indian airports in the north and west operating under severe constraints and Pakistan keeping its skies tightly controlled for roughly two days, affecting civil aviation and logistics. Around this time, according to multiple accounts, India signals willingness to enter ceasefire talks; Pakistan, having executed the main BM kinetic wave, is also open to negotiations, seeing its primary deterrence goals as met
Hello sir,

As you have explained thoroughly, pakistan indeed has not released any evidence of successful target hits. There could be 3 reasons.

1. Pakistan expected more attacks after its kinetic response. So do more talk less, i guess.

2. No matter what India never admits any losses from day 1.

3. Pak Attack failed. However, what caused india to ceasefire ? Probably attack didnt failed.
 
Complete load of bull crap. Mixing few facts with imaginary achievements and here comes a movie script.
Bhuj was decimated and posts occupied? Bases damaged for which not a single proof could be given? Come on man?
Munir was a complete failure in the May skirmish. It was Sidhu who did most of the heavy lifting and did an amazing job on 7th May.

Whatever Munir has bestowed himself with, is due to a weak government that sees its own survival in these promotions.

We have film scripts on both sides of the border - you can disagree over the details a 100 times over but I'm happy reading the acknowledgement (in bold) from the other side and that is enough for me to be proud of my armed forces.
 
We have film scripts on both sides of the border - you can disagree over the details a 100 times over but I'm happy reading the acknowledgement (in bold) from the other side and that is enough for me to be proud of my armed forces.
Being proud in one’s armed forces is an honourable thing and it is good to see that you are.
As far as bold part goes, bold doesn’t make it truth.
 
Whatever may be the claims or counter claims, jinnahs reckless gamble has locked pakistan in a mortal struggle with a 7 times larger neighbour and has unfortunately paved the way for its downfall.


The struggle is only mutual because you avoid China at all costs, and will only go for the smaller adversary.


The stark reality of the difference in Pakistan being comfortable to take on a bigger enemy, leads to your hysterical media overcompensating for Pakistan, and avoiding China.
 
The struggle is only mutual because you avoid China at all costs, and will only go for the smaller adversary.


The stark reality of the difference in Pakistan being comfortable to take on a bigger enemy, leads to your hysterical media overcompensating for Pakistan, and avoiding China.

Before May they were mouthing off against China too, wonder what happened to make them change their tune?
 
I hate to give bad news but there is nothing that the Pakistani leadership can do that will deter India from launching a brutal crippling attack on Pakistan because it knows ( or thinks) it can win the war.
Pakistan may not be able to inflict serious damage on India, The only factor here is how much damage India will tolerate politically before once again calling for/accepting a ceasefire.
Luckily Pakistan is not facing an enemy like Russia or Azarbaijan where damage or casualties don't matter as long as the ultimate objective is achieved. If India was like Russia willing to take a million casualties and destruction of industrial and civil infrastructure, Pakistan would be in far more serious trouble.
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A long protracted war makes India uninvestable.

It also sets India a further generation back against China, Pakistan needs to achieve minimum credible deterrence against India, and India needs to do the same against China

I don't think India would consider a long war, so I do not give the overwhelming forces narrative as much credance as others do because that can also be somewhat offset by smart damage, a technological edge and more reliable supply ability

the old wars might not be the best reference point


However you do raise a point about deep strike ability, I guess that explains those cloud formations
 
A few disagreements based on my understanding

I actually kept downloading both the forum posts from those days, rss feeds and X posts to create a timeline then cross referenced it with accounts to feed it into a notebook llm project.

So based on that.
7 May 2025 – Opening strikes and largest air battle

00:00–04:00 PKT


In the very early hours, India launches Operation Sindoor, a coordinated set of missile, artillery, and air strikes against nine targets in Pakistani-administered Kashmir and Punjab. The targets are described by India as infrastructure linked to Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed, and Hizbul Mujahideen, with care taken—according to Indian statements—to avoid Pakistani military bases and dense civilian areas.

  • Ground element: Indian Army artillery employs M982 Excalibur precision rounds and loitering munitions against sites close to the Line of Control (LoC).
  • Air element: Indian Air Force (IAF) Rafale aircraft fire SCALP cruise missiles and AASM Hammer precision bombs against deeper targets in Pakistani Punjab and Azad Kashmir, while Indian air defence provides cover. The Indian side later claims it “bypassed and jammed” Chinese-supplied Pakistani air-defence radars during the operation.
Within hours, a massive beyond-visual-range (BVR) air engagement develops over and near the LoC. Around 114 aircraft are involved—roughly 72 IAF and 42 PAF—in what becomes the largest recorded BVR engagement between the two air forces. Neither side crosses the international boundary or LoC; all shots are taken from standoff ranges.

Pakistan claims up to six Indian fighters downed. Independent investigations later confirm at least three crash sites inside India and strong evidence for up to four aircraft lost, including at least one Rafale and one other type not operated by Pakistan. Debris of PL-15 long-range air-to-air missiles is recovered in India, confirming their combat use by Pakistan’s Chinese-origin fighters.

04:00–08:00 PKT

As the air battle winds down, both sides shift to damage assessment and search-and-rescue. Indian teams move to crash locations in Jammu & Kashmir and Punjab; Pakistani units check targeted areas in Azad Kashmir and Punjab, logging initial military and civilian damage.

Along the LoC, the 2021 ceasefire effectively collapses. What begins as sporadic exchanges quickly grows into sustained small-arms, mortar, and artillery fire along multiple sectors. This pattern will continue throughout the crisis, causing a significant share of overall casualties, especially among civilians in frontline villages.

08:00–12:00 PKT

Daylight over the subcontinent brings a relative lull in long-range strikes. Both capitals weigh next steps. The Stimson reconstruction notes that by comparison with the dramatic early-morning events, “the daylight hours of May 7 were marked by comparative quiet.”

  • The IAF and PAF maintain combat air patrols (CAPs) on both sides of the border.
  • Ground forces dig in along the LoC and Working Boundary, improving bunkers and ammunition stocks; civilians begin moving away from exposed villages where they can.
12:00–16:00 PKT

International reactions gather pace. Statements from major powers call for restraint and warn against escalation, especially toward a nuclear confrontation. Quiet diplomatic outreach begins, but both governments signal that they will pursue their military objectives for now.

Operationally, both sides focus on:

  • Force protection: dispersing aircraft, moving high-value assets (aircraft, SAM batteries, radars) away from obvious target points.
  • Air-defence readiness: Pakistani HQ-9 and other systems, Indian S-400 and Akash batteries remain on high alert.
16:00–20:00 PKT

Fighting along the LoC intensifies through the late afternoon and evening:

  • Both armies employ mortars, artillery, and occasionally tanks / ATGMs against each other’s posts.
  • Neither side attempts to seize and hold new ground; the violence remains in the mold of high-tempo but positional warfare.
India keeps long-range aviation on alert, while Pakistan continues to integrate ground and air sensors, with an emphasis on understanding the electromagnetic environment after the morning’s jamming experience.

20:00–24:00 PKT – First drone wave into India

During the night of 7–8 May, Pakistan begins a drone and missile campaign against targets in western and northern India—about 15 locations, according to later Indian briefings.

  • The strike package mixes basic, inexpensive drones (serving as decoys and “flying chaff”) with more capable armed UAVs and loitering munitions, probing Indian radar coverage and response patterns.
  • Targets include infrastructure and military facilities around cities such as Amritsar and other Punjab / Rajasthan locations; the aim is to test and saturate Indian air defences rather than cause decisive physical damage.
Indian air defences respond vigorously, firing S-400 interceptors, other SAMs, and anti-aircraft artillery, creating a visible “umbrella” of tracers and launches captured in numerous videos. India later describes Pakistan’s effort as a “raid” conducted in waves to saturate its defences. Damage on the ground appears limited.



8 May 2025 – SEAD duels and narrative split

00:00–04:00 PKT


The first night’s drone raids and Indian defensive fire continue into the early hours. India afterwards reports hundreds of drone incursions over this and the following night, largely aimed at probing and mapping its air-defence network.

India also states that its S-400 system based at Adampur plays a role in negating Pakistani strikes, marking the first combat use of the system. Pakistan officially denies having attacked India at all in this phase, setting up a major narrative gap.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Indian SEAD strike on Lahore radar

In the morning, India launches a “proportionate response” SEAD/DEAD operation against Pakistani air-defence sites.

  • India uses Harpy and Harop anti-radiation drones plus Banshee target drones as decoys.
  • Pakistani officials later acknowledge attacks on 11 sites and confirm that four soldiers were injured and equipment partially damaged, including at least one air-defence radar in Lahore effectively neutralised.
Pakistani air defences claim to have shot down two dozen-plus drones, with debris scattered around several locations. One civilian is reported killed.

08:00–12:00 PKT

Public messaging diverges sharply:

  • India presents the morning operation as a calibrated counter-strike in the same domain (drones/air-defence) and of similar intensity to what it says were Pakistani drone raids the night before.
  • Pakistan continues to deny any preceding drone strikes on India and portrays the Indian SEAD mission as unprovoked aggression against Pakistani cities, especially Lahore and Karachi, thereby hardening domestic opinion.
On the LoC, heavy small-arms and artillery exchanges continue. Civilians on both sides increasingly shelter in basements, schools, or improvised bunkers.

12:00–16:00 PKT

The ground picture remains static but violent:

  • Static, hardened positions dominate; both sides avoid large maneuver operations while continuing to trade fire.
  • Many of the eventual 50+ fatalities in Kashmir during the crisis are later attributed to this continued cross-border shelling, including deliberate or collateral fire striking villages.
At sea, the two navies maneuver in the Arabian Sea, staying outside firing range but clearly signalling coercive options.

16:00–20:00 PKT – Nuclear concerns surface abroad

As the second day wears on, international attention shifts explicitly to nuclear risk.

Other states, including China and European countries, issue statements urging immediate de-escalation and increased dialogue.

20:00–24:00 PKT – Second drone wave

The night of 8–9 May sees a second, somewhat larger drone campaign against India, attributed by India to Pakistan.

  • Swarms of “poor-quality, basic drones” are mixed with a smaller number of surveilling and armed platforms, an apparent attempt to saturate radars and SAMs.
  • India claims again that damage is minor; images support the view that most drones are either intercepted or fall without major effect.
India retaliates with another limited drone-based SEAD strike; Pakistan, for its part, claims to have shot down dozens of Indian drones over this period, announcing a cumulative tally of over 70 drones downed.



9 May 2025 – Drone duels, cyber war, and escalation calculus

00:00–04:00 PKT


The second night of drone engagements continues into the early hours. Air-defence batteries on both sides remain active, with bursts of fire as drones or suspected drones appear on radar. Much of this activity serves intelligence purposes, mapping adversary sensors and doctrine under stress.

Along the LoC, fire remains heavy but still bounded by the line; neither side attempts a ground offensive beyond limited raids.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Further Indian SEAD strikes

In the morning, India conducts another SEAD-focused operation, sending armed drones against four Pakistani air-defence sites.

  • India claims at least one additional radar is destroyed.
  • Pakistan claims that between the previous evening and midday of 9 May it has shot down 48 Indian drones, reinforcing the narrative that it is blunting Indian unmanned operations.
From the Indian perspective, these attacks are part of a cross-service “escalation control mechanism” that prioritizes suppression of enemy air defences (SEAD) so that, if needed, manned aircraft can operate with reduced risk in later phases.S

08:00–12:00 PKT

Information operations peak:

  • India publicly identifies specific Pakistani drones, including Turkish-origin Songar systems, and characterises many others as crude platforms used to clutter radar.
  • Pakistan continues to stress its success in intercepting Israeli-origin loitering munitions and notes that it has limited casualties and damage from Indian attacks so far, aside from admitted radar losses.
Social media and news outlets circulate extensive footage of air-defence fire over Indian cities and drone debris in Pakistan, reinforcing the image of a two-night “drone war” layered on top of artillery duels in Kashmir.

12:00–16:00 PKT – U.S. posture hardens

By this window, U.S. internal assessments reportedly shift in response to “alarming intelligence”, leading to more active behind-the-scenes pressure on both New Delhi and Islamabad to move toward a ceasefire.

Meanwhile, firing along the LoC continues, and later reporting suggests over 50 deaths in Kashmir across the crisis, many from shells landing in or near villages.

16:00–20:00 PKT – Operation Bunyun Marsoos (cyber)

Pakistan opens a major offensive cyber campaign known as Operation Bunyan al Marsoos.

  • Targets reportedly include Indian military networks, government agencies, state-linked companies, and thousands of surveillance cameras.
  • Pakistani reporting claims that databases at organisations such as Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the Border Security Force, and India’s Unique Identification Authority (UIDAI) are accessed or disrupted; multiple websites are defaced or taken offline.
  • Indian authorities record over 1.5 million intrusion attempts and scramble to contain and eject intruders, patch vulnerabilities, and restore services.
20:00–24:00 PKT – Preludes to broader Indian strikes

On the night of 9–10 May, Indian media report another barrage of drones and missiles incoming from Pakistan.

This is follow up from Pakistan which claims to have

In response, India’s political and military leadership authorise an expanded conventional strike against Pakistani military installations, building on the SEAD groundwork laid on the 8th and 9th. Planning for these strikes focuses on:

  • Air bases and air-defence nodes judged critical to Pakistan’s ability to threaten India in a prolonged air campaign.
  • Maintaining a narrative of “calibrated” and domain-matched responses, to deter further attacks without crossing red lines that could trigger nuclear risk.


10 May 2025 – Indian expanded strikes and move toward ceasefire

00:00–04:00 PKT – Indian strikes on Pakistani air bases


In the early hours, the Indian Armed Forces carry out multiple air-strike operations using Su-30MKI fighters armed with BrahMos missiles and other standoff munitions against selected Pakistani military installations, especially air-defence sites and air bases.

According to Indian accounts and later analysis:

  • These strikes disable or damage additional radars and air-defence systems at several locations.
  • Pakistan acknowledges that soldiers are wounded, equipment suffers “partial damage”, and at least some air-defence radars are neutralised, though it stresses that core combat capability remains intact.
Pakistani sources also claim successful air defence against part of this raid, but details remain less documented than the earlier SEAD duels.

04:00–08:00 PKT – Pakistani Bunyan al Marsoos strikes and pause toward negotiations

In this same early‑morning window, Pakistan launches the principal kinetic wave of Operation Bunyan al Marsoos, combining air‑launched and ground‑launched stand‑off weapons against a set of Indian military targets. Pakistani and later regional analyses refer to the use of CM‑400AKG anti‑ship/anti‑surface missiles, land‑attack cruise missiles such as Babur and Ra’ad variants, and loitering munitions aimed at Indian airbases, BrahMos‑related sites (frequently including Bhuj in open‑source reconstructions), and supporting infrastructure.

Islamabad presents this as a comprehensive but still conventional‑limited strike package, announcing hits on multiple Indian airbases and claiming damage to runways, fuel and ammunition storage, air‑defence systems, and at least one BrahMos launcher location. The Pakistani line is that by the morning of 10 May, this wave has achieved its objectives: demonstrating that Pakistan can match long‑range precision strikes, impose costs on key Indian military assets, and yet keep the conflict inside a controlled envelope.

Pakistan however is unable to provide any visual proof to its claims as India starts providing visuals of Pakistani airbases hit.

As news of these exchanges spreads, both sides avoid immediately launching even larger follow‑on packages. Indian airspace restrictions and Pakistani airspace closures continue, with dozens of Indian airports in the north and west operating under severe constraints and Pakistan keeping its skies tightly controlled for roughly two days, affecting civil aviation and logistics. Around this time, according to multiple accounts, India signals willingness to enter ceasefire talks; Pakistan, having executed the main BM kinetic wave, is also open to negotiations, seeing its primary deterrence goals as met

Yes, if we only take the publicly available information then the timeline with events you have mentioned are indeed the same as you have detailed.

However, even with the publicly available timeline and the official versions from both sides - there remains a number of claims and events that couldn't be independently verified - e.g. the Stimpson report mentions that they were not able to verify any drone incursion from Pakistani side because of the absence of debris inside Indian lands (contrary to their claim of shooting down multiple Pakistani drones).

The timeline and events I summarized in my earlier post are based on what I know but I'm not going to assert that as true, esp because the official version is not the same.

So this is where we'll have to agree to disagree 🥲 also, I am not dismissing the publicly documented and the official versions - but for me they are merely a couple of layers of accounts of events out many other layers.
 
Being proud in one’s armed forces is an honourable thing and it is good to see that you are.
As far as bold part goes, bold doesn’t make it truth.

The bold part was from your post not mine. The part where you agreed about PAF's performance.
 

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