Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[flyingorca]

They can’t release what they don’t have. If they make any such claims based on many of the images being peddled here as proof of damage, they would become a laughing stock.

ISPR would have got access to better pictures from Chinese Government as well as Chinese companies and analysed them immediately. They are not standing down out of goodwill or some kind of off ramp but due to lack of images that would be analysed by professionals once released and endorsed by ISPR.

Sometimes, it is better to allow fanboys and “trust me bro” brigade to carry on with certain tasks.

Both India and Pakistan have access to satellites and have seen each other's damages with their own sats but have not released pictures from their sats due to secrecy. They will only release images from public domain sats.

 

[Jango007]

In 2019 I reached out to Planet Lab and asked them to provide me with the pics of Indian military sites we had claimed hit for what ever price they would charge.

They emailed back saying it’s not their policy to provide pics of sensitive installations / recent conflict zones to ordinary citizens .

 

[Jango007]

I also wrote to AFM editor about IAF pathetic performance in 2019 and he wrote me back a very nice long email .
I still have it if anyone wants to read it…

 

[Jango007]

 

[Hayabusa]

That’s a reasonable statement.

Subroto Park HQ building is located right next to a Metro line and a busy highway. The Metro line as well as the highway overlook the building. They are located just 30-40 m from the main building. It is also surrounded by dense population from all sides. There is dense traffic on all the surrounding roads road 24 x 7 x 365. It is the main access road to the Delhi Airport. A blast at such a close range can’t go unnoticed. Any disturbance in that area can’t be hidden. If there was a blast in that area then that couldn’t have gone unnoticed. No chance.

More important is the fact that a successful attack over HQ would have been a highlight for Munir and ISPR would have taken leverage to that fact by producing corroborating imagery. The statement that ISPR was denied imagery is a lie. Chinese government as well as many Chinese companies can easily full-fill that requirement. They must have provided also.

Few kids of “trust me bro” brigade are trying to produce circumstantial evidence by quoting irrelevant imagery.

Professional BDA is the only way to do that. “Trust me bro” brigade can try as hard as they want.

Sadly @Panzerkiel is playing to this gallery. No proof, no corroborating evidence, just one line statements.

Just because he is a professional he can’t get away without scrutiny and minimum acceptable standards in this regard. Infact he needs to hold the standards higher.

Your first paragraph is a reasonable response and logically, it make sense.

Here is the dilemma for some of the lurkers here: One is a respected member that has weight to his claims, and the other has claims that sounds logical. It's hard to determine which is right, but it entails for a very good discussion. As much as I understand your logical arguments, I also understand from the other party point of view involving the sensitive nature of releasing such images or even hinting about it without permission.

Regardless, we can always have a good discussion just as long as we are respectful. Thank you for sharing your perspective on it as well.

 

[falcon34]

I single handedly ruined new year Eve of indians, I was just looking at stuff to kill time when stumbled upon amritsar cantt, It had a lot impacts than, than checked up jhalandhar and than Amritsar airbase. First posted stuff here than dm'd the Twitter handles the stuff I had.
@Panzerkiel if you'd tell two three more targets it'd be really helpful

 

[falcon34]

Your first paragraph is a reasonable response and logically, it make sense.

Here is the dilemma for some of the lurkers here: One is a respected member that has weight to his claims, and the other has claims that sounds logical. It's hard to determine which is right, but it entails for a very good discussion. As much as I understand your logical arguments, I also understand from the other party point of view involving the sensitive nature of releasing such images or even hinting about it without permission.

Regardless, we can always have a good discussion just as long as we are respectful. Thank you for sharing your perspective on it as well.

His logic becomes coping when it comes to sat imagery coming out of amritsar and jhalandhar.
Logic works too you can't be selectively logical as long as he keeps coping about amritsar and jhalandhar, the logic is bs

 

[Jango007]

Happy new year India …


. May Fatah rockets shower over your head and Rafaels wreckage rain down on your lands….. happy 2026.

 

[Vkdindian1]

The same goes for IAF Chief claims,

Influencing narrative requires timing

Fully agree. Narrative buildup and timing are enmeshed fully. Thats why when AP claimed about shooting down few aircraft everyone laughed it off.

That’s why ISPR should have released the pictures in a timely manner if they had any.
I still doubt that they had anything to show. I doubt that a professional like Aurangzeb would like to look like a heel by making unsubstantiated claims.

 

[falcon34]

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He's a literal indian boot licking bot
Why would India be removing roofing from fully intact site and that too after May Conflict

 

[Jango007]

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He's a literal indian boot licking bot
Why would India be removing roofing from fully intact site and that too after May Conflict

Call centre Ramesh is Damien in his fantasy world ….. light skinned fresh smelling . …. Who he always wanted to be .

 

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He's a literal indian boot licking bot
Why would India be removing roofing from fully intact site and that too after May Conflict

He just proved his biasedness at this point especially regarding first 2 images from airfield.

 

[Hayabusa]

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He's a literal indian boot licking bot
Why would India be removing roofing from fully intact site and that too after May Conflict

Exactly my thoughts. In fact, there was at least one image from the various shown, that shown some sort of damage.

All he is staying seems to be very vague as well. E.g "SHED ROOF SHOWS NO PENETRATION OR DEFORMATION, ONLY THE ROOF COVERING MATERIAL HAS BEEN REMOVED". It doesn't make sense to remove covering material for the whole roof if there is no damage (even if it's for maintenance) and in that same image, he completely ignored the darken area on the right side, which is completely different from other parts of the roof, and don't seem to even indicate any form of environmental influences.



I ran these 2 images using Gemini Pro 3.0 with these prompts.


"This is two images showing before and after of a location in India, involved in the recent May conflict between Pakistan and India ANALYZE the image and let me know if it indicates any form of damage."


"Based on the satellite imagery provided, the answer is yes, the images indicate severe and specific structural damage to the facility.

Comparing the "Before" (Image 1) and "After" (Image 2) views, I have performed a Battle Damage Assessment (BDA) below.
Visual Damage Analysis
* Target A (Top Rectangular Building):
* Status: Heavily Compromised.
* Observation: The roof of the northernmost large building shows multiple puncture marks and localized collapse. Dark irregular spots on the roof suggest penetration by precision munitions or internal explosions that have blown out sections of the roofing material.


* Target B (Lower Long Building):
* Status: Catastrophic Structural Failure.
* Observation: The long, rectangular structure (likely a barracks, storage hall, or training facility) has sustained the most extensive damage. The roof is almost entirely gone, appearing "skeletonized."
* Details: You can see the internal grid/walls exposed to the open air. The debris pattern is contained largely within the building's footprint, which is characteristic of Precision Guided Munitions (PGMs) or vertical airstrikes rather than wide-area artillery shelling (which would leave craters in the surrounding fields).
* Surroundings:
* The paved area between the two buildings shows scattered debris and scorch marks that were not present in the "Before" image.

* The vegetation in the "After" image appears different (greener/darker), confirming a time lapse consistent with the seasonal change you mentioned (May).

Contextual Note
The timestamp (2025) and the specific destruction profile—where buildings are gutted while surrounding roads remain relatively intact—align with the tactical patterns seen in the May 2025 conflict (often referred to in defense circles as Operation Sindoor).

While you mentioned this location is in India, the damage signature (roof penetration designed to eliminate occupants/equipment while minimizing collateral damage) is identical to the "Spike" or "Crystal" precision strikes used in that theater. If this is indeed an Indian location, it suggests a highly capable adversary using sophisticated penetrator warheads.

Not sure what Damien Symon is on a about, but he is starting to lose credibility here.Starting to feel he is part of a disinformation campaign here.

 

[Hayabusa]

Exactly my thoughts. In fact, there was at least one image from the various shown, that shown some sort of damage.

All he is staying seems to be very vague as well. E.g "SHED ROOF SHOWS NO PENETRATION OR DEFORMATION, ONLY THE ROOF COVERING MATERIAL HAS BEEN REMOVED". It doesn't make sense to remove covering material if there is no damage and in that same image, hs completely ignored the darken area on the right side, which is completely different from other parts of the roof, and don't seem to even indicate any form of environmental influences.



I ran these 2 images using Gemini Pro 3.0 with these prompts.


"This is two images showing before and after of a location in India, involved in the recent May conflict between Pakistan and India ANALYZE the image and let me know if it indicates any form of damage."


"Based on the satellite imagery provided, the answer is yes, the images indicate severe and specific structural damage to the facility.

Comparing the "Before" (Image 1) and "After" (Image 2) views, I have performed a Battle Damage Assessment (BDA) below.
Visual Damage Analysis
* Target A (Top Rectangular Building):
* Status: Heavily Compromised.
* Observation: The roof of the northernmost large building shows multiple puncture marks and localized collapse. Dark irregular spots on the roof suggest penetration by precision munitions or internal explosions that have blown out sections of the roofing material.


* Target B (Lower Long Building):
* Status: Catastrophic Structural Failure.
* Observation: The long, rectangular structure (likely a barracks, storage hall, or training facility) has sustained the most extensive damage. The roof is almost entirely gone, appearing "skeletonized."
* Details: You can see the internal grid/walls exposed to the open air. The debris pattern is contained largely within the building's footprint, which is characteristic of Precision Guided Munitions (PGMs) or vertical airstrikes rather than wide-area artillery shelling (which would leave craters in the surrounding fields).
* Surroundings:
* The paved area between the two buildings shows scattered debris and scorch marks that were not present in the "Before" image.

* The vegetation in the "After" image appears different (greener/darker), confirming a time lapse consistent with the seasonal change you mentioned (May).

Contextual Note
The timestamp (2025) and the specific destruction profile—where buildings are gutted while surrounding roads remain relatively intact—align with the tactical patterns seen in the May 2025 conflict (often referred to in defense circles as Operation Sindoor).

While you mentioned this location is in India, the damage signature (roof penetration designed to eliminate occupants/equipment while minimizing collateral damage) is identical to the "Spike" or "Crystal" precision strikes used in that theater. If this is indeed an Indian location, it suggests a highly capable adversary using sophisticated penetrator warheads.

Not sure what Damien Symon is on a about, but he is starting to lose credibility here.Starting to feel he is part of a disinformation campaign here.

These were the two images I ran for Gemini below.

 

[Salza]

thats what i was thinking . we are drumming a lot baout multi domain net centric etc and enemy knows all about it then whats next ? next fime thwir AD would be well positioned. air force qould be in much better position . they know pl15 range our EW capability how would we ready for our future war?

Next engagement will be on Arabian sea most likely if the clash happens in 1-2 years time since this is where they are slightly strong and it will take 3-4 years intergrate 90% of the stuff which PAF has done so they will try to avoid PAF for now. Second most likely scenario is missile exhanges.