Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Psyko70]

Baki Pakistan did best it could. It was not ready for conventional low intensity to high intensity war for longer period. And in this low intensity conflict going all out with all alcm and bms was not right. Pakistan did right with decisions.

Such decisions are not taken with jazbaat.

Good thing was India was also not ready for full intensity conflict.

 

[kimjongun]

That alone should had resulted in the use of Babur and RA'AD and not some half ass rockets. I still believe we failed to establish deterrence even though the opportunity existed specially when IAF was in shambles.

Mujhe FOMO horha lol , atleast koi DM krdo

 

[Bratva]

Fatah-II was used to attack India: DG-ISPR in Hamid Mir Interview. This is as official as it gets. We don't know whether it was 250 KM wala Fatah-II which is on GIDS website or 400 KM wala fatah-II which army tested.

 

[Bratva]

Bhar mey gaye inki posts. Apna apna ghar theek karo. Emotions are high because world is screwed.

Anyone who mocks Pakistan is an open enemy in my eyes. B phar kar hath me pakra do.

Our priorities are different I guess. I got triggered on his "Bhardaen" word.

 

[Dalit]

Another meltdown

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"Saaaar, this wasn't part of the deal!"

 

[Bratva]

Fatah-II acknowledgment and DG ISPR is also acknowledging Indian air defense system is one of the best and most expensive one. Our drones were flying over Ahmedabad and Delhi.

Timestamp: 18:30 onwards

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[Oscar]

What I am worried about is disgruntled PTI supporters collaborating or revealing locations of military officers, or even going beyond that into spying. After what I’ve seen from these folks, I wouldn’t discount it. I genuinely have massive issues with this party and its followers. For them, all officers are bad.

Recently, they started a campaign targeting Air vice marshal Aurangzeb, claiming he is responsible for strikes in Afghanistan, and then figures like Wajbro began targeting the Air Chief with unsubstantiated corruption allegations based purely on speculation. What this seems to be instilling in people’s minds is that these officials are simply corrupt and don’t care about the state itself, rather, that PTI and some overseas supporters are the real saviors, a trend we’ve seen play out in other countries as well.

The seeds of hatred, sedition, and division being sown by some overseas Pakistanis are insane. I am seriously concerned about this, because PTI appears to be following an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” and scorched-earth style of politics.

It is genuinely possible from a few nutjobs in PTI, but because much of this support base is middle class and digitally immersed, a lot of their politics is expressed less through direct action and more through celebrating any embarrassment or loss of face for the military from the safety of their drawing rooms. What makes that dangerous is not just what they do, but the atmosphere they help create: once a movement becomes emotionally invested in humiliation, revenge, and permanent grievance, even reckless accusations start to feel justified. In that kind of climate, people do not need hard evidence; they only need a story that confirms what they already want to believe.

That is why political cults like MAGA are a useful comparison: once loyalty shifts from principles and institutions to one leader, facts matter less than narrative, and every rumor, clip, or X post becomes “proof” inside a closed bias loop. The result is that anyone who does not validate the movement, whether judges, generals, journalists, or political opponents, gets recast as corrupt, traitorous, or part of some larger conspiracy. That is the real problem with cult politics: it trains followers to see disagreement not as disagreement, but as betrayal, and once that mindset sets in, targeting individuals becomes easier to justify in the name of a supposedly higher cause.

 

[RescueRanger]

It's not bad to explore options ! Don't ban me !

 

[hasssanali8998]

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god i love my country and people

 

[Ali_Baba]

While you are thinking of airbases or other infrastructure as losses - think also of individuals.

What Israel has taught India about is that crippling military leadership has a similar impact as taking out infrastructure because it becomes a headless chicken.

Remember, your troops were still willing to fight on in the various spots they held in 71 if Niazi did not surrender. A similar effect can be seen that in Iran’s previous 12 day conflict the loss of military leaders created a stun effect in response times.

Very interesting points.

The Iranians did learn from the 12-day war and adopted their mosaic concept to ensure that the state went on, and replacements for all leadership roles were structured 4 levels down where appropriate. That concept seems to be working very well for them. Israel's tactics and obsession with assassinations is not working in Iran.

Could Pakistan survive such a strike on its leadership and senior C&C that is done in a similar manner? We all saw how slow and lethargic Pakistan's decision making process was during Sindoor, and that was without command staff being affected. PAF had their head in the game, but GHQ/Army were completely confused, slow and lost it seemed.

The key problem Pakistan has in all its institutions is the "cult of personality" both within the Armed Forces(eg Munir syndrome) and also within the political parties with the politicians. Can any institution in Pakistan agree on 4 levels of replacement upfront? Probably not, that is highlighted with the cult of "extension mania" within the Armed Forces where it is not about the institution but about themselves. Lets not talk about the political parties.

Indian's to me feels more institutional in their setup for both the armed forces, and also importantly their political leadership.

India is purchasing the same systems from Israel, that Israel used in its decapitation strikes against Iran, so this becomes a real problem problem for Pakistan both to the survivability of leadership functions, as well as the survivability of command and control centers, and bunkers.

 

[Yasser76]

Very interesting points.

The Iranians did learn from the 12-day war and adopted their mosaic concept to ensure that the state went on, and replacements for all leadership roles were structured 4 levels down where appropriate. That concept seems to be working very well for them. Israel's tactics and obsession with assassinations is not working in Iran.

Could Pakistan survive such a strike on its leadership and senior C&C that is done in a similar manner? We all saw how slow and lethargic Pakistan's decision making process was during Sindoor, and that was without command staff being affected. PAF had their head in the game, but GHQ/Army were completely confused and lost it seemed.

The key problem Pakistan has in all its institutions is the "cult of personality" both within the Armed Forces(eg Munir syndrome) and also within the political parties with the politicians. Can any institution in Pakistan agree on 4 levels of replacement upfront? Probably not, that is highlighted with the cult of "extension mania" within the Armed Forces where it is not about the institution but about themselves. Lets not talk about the political parties.

Indian's to me feels more institutional in their setup for both the armed forces, and also importantly their political leadership.

India is purchasing the same systems from Israel, that Israel used in its decapitation strikes against Iran, so this becomes a real problem problem for Pakistan both to the survivability of leadership functions, as well as the survivability of command and control centers, and bunkers.

Good post. Also think there is a lot of learning Pak mil can do from Iran after this war. In terms of both redundancy as you mention but also learning about weakneses in key Israeli systems

 

[Maarkhoor]

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[Gripen9]

Yeh nailey he rahein gaye

After witnessing systemic destruction of US radars across ME, these guys want to so this right at the border....

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[Oracle]

Yeh nailey he rahein gaye

After witnessing systemic destruction of US radars across ME, these guys want to so this right at the border....

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Target number 1

 

[Saifullah]

Yeh nailey he rahein gaye

After witnessing systemic destruction of US radars across ME, these guys want to so this right at the border....

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Pakistan can take this out with just artillery. It’s so close to the border it can even be captured entirely intact by ground troops or freedom fighters in IOJK.