Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

To be fair - the way they executed SCALP strikes post losing air superiority over anything west of Ludhiana or Jodhpur is commendable. Using AEWs to find gaps in Pakistan's AEW patrols and cueing them into these narrow windows at low level for drops.

It was good.

Great post!


three things, from their perspective:

1. they have made sure, threshold for not using nukes, even if it comes down, it wont result in nu*****r strike!

2. they now, know how to find safe passage within our defense walls (missile shield!)
(seems strike on Noor Khan was planned, it wasnt they decided only 2 hours before the attack, it was planned well ahead, like thing to do in the first hour of the war sort of stuff!)


3. they also now know, what is the threshold to break our air defense!




Note: im not a defense expert, so dont take my word seriously, I could be wrong!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Great post!


three things, from their perspective:

1. they have made sure, threshold for not using nukes, even if it comes down, it wont result in nu*****r strike!

2. they now, know how to find safe passage within our defense walls (missile shield!)
(seems strike on Noor Khan was planned, it wasnt they decided only 2 hours before the attack, it was planned well ahead, like thing to do in the first hour of the war sort of stuff!)


3. they also now know, what is the threshold to break our air defense!




Note: im not a defense expert, so dont take my word seriously, I could be wrong!

good post indeed and be assured you are among the top tier experts among us defence enthusiasts. your humility is pleasent but don't underestimate your reasoning and understanding.

 

[K2RULEZ]

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"Saaaar, curry is phantastic!"

 

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Honestly I think this is last message here

We should close this thread, there is no point to discuss further.

The Indians are only good at making making movies and documentaries. Let them enjoy their movies.

Their leaders and representatives know the score on the ground.

 

[Oscar]

Great post!


three things, from their perspective:

1. they have made sure, threshold for not using nukes, even if it comes down, it wont result in nu*****r strike!

2. they now, know how to find safe passage within our defense walls (missile shield!)
(seems strike on Noor Khan was planned, it wasnt they decided only 2 hours before the attack, it was planned well ahead, like thing to do in the first hour of the war sort of stuff!)


3. they also now know, what is the threshold to break our air defense!




Note: im not a defense expert, so dont take my word seriously, I could be wrong!

1. Technically, they havent really gotten to the declared threshold but instead are pushing it as far as it will go. The declared threshold wasnt strikes but there was ambiguity on "strategic" weapons which were quite frankly classified in good faith based on potential carriage of nuclear weapons.

2. Strike on Chaklala was fairly well planned with timing on what would make Pakistan move the HQ-9 away from danger and when CAPs might be diverted elsewhere. Now, it is possible that PAF was misquoted in AFM but if Chaklala was truly a Spice hit that is a remarkable use of terrain and possibly them flying up Neelum, then likely to Muzaffarabad area to still keep out of Shorad.
This requires some excellent low level, NVG navigation which the M2k is well suited for.
Pure speculation based on it actually being Spice 1000. If it was Scalp or Rampage then yes its still good planning but nothing quite spectacular as the above.

3.Yes and no - Pakistan was conserving its AD for greater and greater escalation which is was trying to manage. But whatever "breaks" happened were actually well managed through combination of soft kills and hard kills for only the most stubborn systems.

 

[Owaiz]

It is actually important since India is pushing that film through streaming channels, with WB india behind it.

What film is this ? I have seen the Safed Sagar series on Netflix, which is about Kargil, but nothing on HBO Max ( I am assuming WB is Warner Brothers).

 

[Panzerkiel]

To be fair - the way they executed SCALP strikes post losing air superiority over anything west of Ludhiana or Jodhpur is commendable. Using AEWs to find gaps in Pakistan's AEW patrols and cueing them into these narrow windows at low level for drops.

It was good.

What i have learnt over the years.....sky is such a vast entity....finding radar and AEW gaps isnt that much hard either....i mean you do require some hardcore 'work'....but then finding gaps isnt an issue....examples being Ukraine, Russia, Iran, and many more.....

which brings me to a not-so-recent exercise, wherein 6 - 8 AEW aircraft were able to provide CONTINUOS AWACS cover over Pak airspace...wherein even suppression of PAF bases by IAF became an issue and multiple IAF strike aircraft were shot down...

 

[falcon34]

@side-winder would you like to add something on PAF air to ground strikes, all we've hearing is IAF praises.
I know we do ground strikes but nobody knows where or what was hit.

 

[Bratva]

@side-winder would you like to add something on PAF air to ground strikes, all we've hearing is IAF praises.
I know we do ground strikes but nobody knows where or what was hit.

Just as in 2019, JF-17 used glide bombs to strike Indian targets and we only saw a video H-4. In 2025 skirmish, We'd have used glide bombs at the most in Air to Ground role.

H-4 was out of question due to Indian SAMS.. Our ALCM inventory was not ready to be deployed. We only had glide bombs to deploy whose accuracy would've been questionable due to GPS jamming Indians deployed.

If you remember that Indian soldier podcast who hid a Pakistani missile strike near his post from his soldiers and claimed Pakistani jets came 40-50 km close to Indian border and the whole indian airspace was closed and were told by his superiors only jets that are flying would be of Pakistan so fire at will.

 

[Bratva]

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Indian Army Air defense officer whose interview I mentioned in above post. His Interview starts at 1:50:00.

1:57:40 - 1:59:00 = Interesting claim that on 8th May, Indian army airdefence detected 2-3 Pakistan aircrafts at 4:00 AM aggressively approaching India. Indian airforce attitude completely changed toward Army airdefense and was of the mind that AAD would save Airforce now. So IAF officer came to this Army Airdefense officer and said now it is up to Army airdefense to save us from these aircrafts and If Airforce doesnot launch any operation, Army AD would be our last resort
( Reading b/w the lines, Indian airforce was grounded and was relying completely on Army airdefense)


2:00:00 - 2:02:35 = On 10th May morning, India AAD got a message from battery commander that aircraft approaching and none of our aircrafts flying, be ready to fire at it. At same time, AAD heard a large explosion 50 meters from his position, A pakistani missile hit near a hanger behind the building near to his post.

Interviewer: You didn't see missile coming on radar?

AAD officer: It was of small size and extremely fast, it just flashed on our radar and instantly hit and exploded. My guys got panicked and asked me what it was. I lied to them that it was our airforce launching large missiles and didn't want them to panic and we got right back to our engagement.


2:02:37 - 2:05:00= And enemy aircraft distance kept decreasing from 130 to 120 until they reached 70- 80 KM mark and he was ready that these aircraft would make an ingress. Then they discovered a small aircraft is infront of these 3 aircrafts. And they kept approaching until they 3 aircrafts turned back at 40 KM and small aircraft kept coming at indian airbase. AAD was ready with 16 rounds to fire at target.

2:06:00 - 2:10:30 = Small aircraft identified as UCAV due to its low speed and it was intercepted at 2 KM from the base. It exploded with hugh fireball and hence they identified it had a large payload attached with it. They recovered the debris which included a motor and wings ( So it was a Yiha-III drone)

2:10:50:00 - 2:12:00 = Wing Commander and some officers came at mid-day to appreciate the AAD team and as they were leaving the base, 3 missiles hit a nearby hill 500 meters to 1000 meters away from base. Everyone was immediately instructed to go in underground bunkers but AAD officer refused to leave his post/gun.

 

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Indian Army Air defense officer whose interview I mentioned in above post. His Interview starts at 1:50:00.

1:57:40 - 1:59:00 = Interesting claim that on 8th May, Indian army airdefence detected 2-3 Pakistan aircrafts at 4:00 AM aggressively approaching India. Indian airforce attitude completely changed toward Army airdefense and was of the mind that AAD would save Airforce now. So IAF officer came to this Army Airdefense officer and said now it is up to Army airdefense to save us from these aircrafts and If Airforce doesnot launch any operation, Army AD would be our last resort
( Reading b/w the lines, Indian airforce was grounded and was relying completely on Army airdefense)


2:00:00 - 2:02:35 = On 10th May morning, India AAD got a message from battery commander that aircraft approaching and none of our aircrafts flying, be ready to fire at it. At same time, AAD heard a large explosion 50 meters from his position, A pakistani missile hit near a hanger behind the building near to his post.

Interviewer: You didn't see missile coming on radar?

AAD officer: It was of small size and extremely fast, it just flashed on our radar and instantly hit and exploded. My guys got panicked and asked me what it was. I lied to them that it was our airforce launching large missiles and didn't want them to panic and we got right back to our engagement.


2:02:37 - 2:05:00= And enemy aircraft distance kept decreasing from 130 to 120 until they reached 70- 80 KM mark and he was ready that these aircraft would make an ingress. Then they discovered a small aircraft is infront of these 3 aircrafts. And they kept approaching until they 3 aircrafts turned back at 40 KM and small aircraft kept coming at indian airbase. AAD was ready with 16 rounds to fire at target.

2:06:00 - 2:10:30 = Small aircraft identified as UCAV due to its low speed and it was intercepted at 2 KM from the range. It exploded with hugh fireball and hence they identified it had a large payload attached with it. They recovered the debris which included a motor and wings ( So it was a Yiha-III drone)

2:10:50:00 - 2:12:00 = Wing Commander and some officers came at mid-day to appreciate the AAD team and as they were leaving the base, 3 missiles hit a nearby hill 500 meters to 1000 meters away from base. Everyone was immediately instructed to go in underground bunkers but AAD officer refused to leave his post/gun.

Man that's poor accuracy of the PAF missiles. This also puts in question the S400 kill if low speed glide bombs were this inaccurate, just imagine the CEP of CM400akg.
@Panzerkiel were we just showing capability on the 10th or the intent was to hit them. Apart from udhampur at every other airbases or site this was the case. Missiles fell 200-500 metres.
The second wave is a different case.

 

[falcon34]

@AeronautIR
Would u like to add something on the Air to ground operations of PAF we've been so focused on A2A, rarely anything apart from S400 kill is talked about.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Man that's poor accuracy of the PAF missiles. This also puts in question the S400 kill if low speed glide bombs were this inaccurate, just imagine the CEP of CM400akg.
@Panzerkiel were we just showing capability on the 10th or the intent was to hit them. Apart from udhampur at every other airbases or site this was the case. Missiles fell 200-500 metres.
The second wave is a different case.

Are you seriously serious ???

 

[Yasser76]

Are you seriously serious ???

Whats wrong, the Indians on Youtube mentioned it so it must be true....

 

[Bratva]

Whats wrong, the Indians on Youtube mentioned it so it must be true....

The assertion that Pakistani missiles did some considerable damage aren't supported with satellite pics. So where did all the Fatah-1 / A2G ordinance PAF supposedly fire go? Missed and off the mark is the next assumption if all those ordinances didn't find their mark. Meanwhile we have videos/Satellite pics of Indian missiles hitting kirana hills and bases with pinpoint accuracy.