Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[RescueRanger]

IAF pilot being recovered.

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Jokes aside that looks like a bad landing - spinal injuries are a given. India stop acting stupid and sacrificing your men...

Blood is NOT cheap!

 

[Baibers_1260]

Exclusive visuals of Indian missile with payload, targeting Karachi port
— INS Vikrant can be seen in background.
1:09 AM · May 9, 2025


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That's very suggestive and gross .

 

[Cash gk]

This conflict has shown that the primary and first contact is the airforce, it is virtually the lead service now for all future wars and there does need to be a funding change in allocations to reflect that going forward.

That means Asim minuer type going in shadow

 

[Dalit]

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Nice. Next I want to see ballistic and cruise missiles flying into Hindustan.

 

[Be dazzled]

Uri brigade HQ destruction aftermath.
Mods please

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[Khanivore]

This is massive , it means IOK is under pak Air Force control

This guy fakes for views. I'd block him.

 

[ghazi52]

An ejection seat, likely belonging to an Indian Air Force MiG-29 fighter jet, was found in the Ramban area of Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir.

Images from the crash site show a Russian-made Zvezda K-36DM ejection seat, the system used on the MiG-29 and Su-30MKI fighters used by the Indian Air Force.

Parts of the RD-33 engine, the standard engine in the MiG-29, have also been identified, confirming with near certainty that the crashed aircraft is of this model.

The crash site was located more than 90 kilometers from the Line of Control (LoC), which raises doubts about the possibility of the aircraft being hit from a very long distance, which has led to speculation that a modern long-range beyond visual range (BVR) missile, such as the Chinese PL-15, was used.

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[Blain2]

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Best option for locals is to take out shotguns and load up with #8 or 9 cartridge. Those would be highly effective against these cheap drones. Proven in Ukraine/Russia.

 

[r3alist]

I wonder if further delivery of jets can be loaned out or expediated

It seems prudent right now


I don't believe forces will rest until they can inflict a plane strike but will talk de-escalation

Very true but a few things

1) They only have 33 Rafales now. Unsure if all of them are against us and some not being kept against China
2) After the last few days these would have seen a lot of action, so downtime will be big. Assuming 75% at peacetime, I would imagine around 25 available for ops out of 33. That is not a huge number
3) Unsure how many Meteors they have now, these are expensive and will be slow to replace unless French do them a massive favour
4) I am REALLY hoping China is readying spare J-10Cs for us (they do not consider it a major frontline asset anyway)
5) Our spares for J-10C/JF-17 are going to be much more available then India's for the Rafale so unsure how heavy they may use them going forward
6) AEW (Thank god we invested heavily here), our fleet of 9 Erieyes means we should be able to have 3 in the air most times. IAF will struggle with 1 in the air (Phalcon is a mainetencoe nightmare on IL-76 airframe)

Same thought on spares

It would be a very demoralising notion that their prize posession is diminishing in utility all the time if depth can be created in the same opposing force

Imagine that their best pilots went up and are going to be tired demoralised and perhaps even more rash





I personally think further actions now can be stinging towards for the next air conflict, assuming things stay as they are


They will have to liter go back to the drawing board so affecting their calculations.....


But don't get greedy too

 

[RescueRanger]

When this was happen

7th March ... old video

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[Ali_Baba]

the global humiliation continues....

How China helped Pakistan shoot down Indian fighter jets

The apparent involvement of Chinese aircraft in shooting down a Western-made Rafale has ricocheted through defence circles

www.telegraph.co.uk

Memphis Barker
Senior Foreign Correspondent
08 May 2025 3:20pm BST
The Telegraph

At 4:00 a.m., something extraordinary happened—not on the battlefield, but in the diplomatic shadows. China’s ambassador to Pakistan reportedly made an urgent call to Rawalpindi. Within hours, a long-prepared contingency went live. What followed wasn’t just an air skirmish—it was a revelation that shattered the myth of India’s air dominance.

The Indian Air Force had been assembling for days—nearly 180 aircraft concentrated on the western front. The goal was clear: repeat Balakot, break Pakistani defenses, and restore the image of strategic supremacy.

But the skies were no longer the same.

Why They Stayed 300 km Away

The Indian Air Force never crossed the threshold. They knew what waited for them beyond it:

Chinese J-10C fighters, sleek and silent
PL-15 missiles, Mach 5 hunters with over 300 km range, Erieye radars, linking every shooter into a single deadly nervous system
What India saw was not just Pakistani pilots—it was China’s entire air warfare doctrine stretching from Skardu to Pasni.

And the Rafales? They never saw it coming.

One Rafale—valued at over $250 million—was reportedly shot down mid-air. Another barely made it back. The Spectra EW system, designed to protect it, was overwhelmed. The PL-15 didn’t come with radar—it came with AI-guided silence.

This wasn’t a dogfight. It was an ambush.

The Pakistani Air Force, aided by Chinese targeting satellites and AWACS, executed a sensor-fusion kill. The Rafales never got a lock, never even saw their adversary. When the missiles hit, it was already over.

And India knew: if one Rafale can fall, so can five.
That’s why the fleet was grounded.
That’s why they stay 300 km away from the border.
Not because they lack courage—but because they now lack certainty.

Strategic Embarrassment

The implications are enormous. India’s prestige weapon, the Rafale, fell to a Chinese missile fired by a Pakistani jet. That’s not just a tactical failure—it’s a geopolitical message.

Even Bloomberg wrote it: this is a live demonstration of Chinese-Pakistani integrated warfare.
Western analysts are stunned. French defense contracts are rattled.
China, meanwhile, is watching quietly… and smiling.

The Game Has Changed

This isn’t 2019. This isn’t Balakot.

India now knows that any venture into Pakistani airspace invites a death trap orchestrated by J-10Cs, PL-15s, and Pakistani resolve.

So they stay back.
Grounded by fear.
Blinded by radar.
And humiliated by silence.

“The Indian pilot didn’t fail from lack of skill.
He failed inside a battlefield he couldn’t see— built by satellites, linked by sensors, and executed by machines.”

In May 2025, the game changed. India’s long-nurtured dream of aerial supremacy—anchored in the purchase of 36 Rafale jets, backed by the mythical Spectra EW suite and decades of French engineering—came crashing down over Kashmir.

It wasn’t a dogfight.
It wasn’t even a fair fight.

It was a doctrinal collapse, witnessed in real time by every military strategist across the globe.

The #Rafale was supposed to be untouchable. Its technology, unmatched. Its pilots, elite. But on that fateful day, it flew into a kill box it never saw. And never escaped.

The Lethal Kill Chain

China quietly stepped in—not in the way most Western analysts imagined.
There were no J-20s or war declarations.
There was a box. A network. A silent chain of observation and execution:

Saab Erieye AWACS patrolling silently
J-10C fighters flying in passive mode
PL-15E missiles—the export PL-15E, the domestic variant with over 300 km reach and Mach 5 speed—locked in and fired
The Rafale didn’t even know it was targeted until the missile was 50 km away.

At that speed, the Indian pilot had 9 seconds.
Not enough to react.
Not enough to survive.

Why the IAF Is Grounded

You don’t see the Indian Air Force over Kashmir anymore.

Why?

Because every time a fighter lifts off, Pakistani radars pick it up.
Because the Erieye sees what Indian radars can’t.
Because the PL-15 launches from outside Rafale’s threat envelope.
Because the Rafale, once India’s silver bullet, has been turned into a $250 million sitting duck.

The IAF now flies 300 km behind its own borders.
Balakot 2.0? It will not happen. Not in this sky.

A Doctrinal Humbling

The world is watching the fallout.

Dassault Aviation’s share price remains stagnant.
Chinese defense stocks—AVIC, ALD Chengdu—are surging.

Because the battlefield was not decided in a dogfight.
It was decided by C4ISR supremacy—Command, Control, Communication, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance.

Pakistan did not outgun India.
It out-networked it.

And India, stunned, grounded its birds.

India’s Pain, Pakistan’s Message

India invested in platforms. Pakistan invested in kill chains.

Modi’s doctrine was: buy dominance.
Reality proved: you must build dominance.

No Spectra system can counter a missile it never detects.
No EW suite can spoof a missile fed by satellite data.
No fighter jet can outrun the death it doesn’t see coming.

The sky has changed.

This is not the end of air combat.
It is the beginning of silent, invisible, unanswerable air dominance.

-end-

Nice article. Suprised to see it in the telegraph of all places.

 

[Blain2]

India... Forget dreaming about facing the lions of Pakistan army, even a farmer in flipflops riding a CG 125 armed only with an AK-47 is more than a match for you.

I must say this could be one of the most ICONIC images akin to ones from the 65 war where people were on their rooftops watching dogfights. Goes to show the spirit of Pakistanis mashaAllah!

 

[Cash gk]

This guy fakes for views. I'd block him.

If you’re talking to me, I only said this because from what I see in the picture—if you have even a little sense—if your main airport is attacked by the enemy, it means the enemy is showing that it controls the area.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I look forward to outcome of saudi FM visit and I will show you my post once we are done with this war. Remember, I told you first, if he does not come with a message of either India willing to giving up Kashmir or giving up our water resources, Saudia is not friend of ours. This is very serious now

 

[Cash gk]

This guy fakes for views. I'd block him.

M you going to be ignore list buddy